If they stayed from bush to now. Throughout the Obama years and Biden years, first trump. They will probably stay for the next 20 presidents
Who are you people making this a left v right thing??? How is trump opening a concentration camps housing tens of thousands of people remotely similar to legacy prisons housing what, 36 people?
Bad faith - bad faith - bad faith.
no, i’m not the government.
I dunno what I can do besides get out of the US or sewer slide.
"To understand revolutionary suicide it is first necessary to have an idea of reactionary suicide, for the two are very different. Reactionary suicide: the reaction of a man who takes his own life in response to social conditions that overwhelm him and condemn him to helplessness.”
“I do not think that life will change for the better without an assault on the Establishment, which goes on exploiting the wretched of the earth. This belief lies at the heart of the concept of revolutionary suicide. Thus it is better to oppose the forces that would drive me to self-murder than to endure them. Although I risk the likelihood of death, there is at least the possibility, if not the probability, of changing intolerable conditions.”
“But before we die, how shall we live? I say with hope and dignity; and if premature death is the result, that death has a meaning reactionary suicide can never have. It is the price of self-respect.”
– Dr. Huey P. Newton
You need to find, pressure, back up, help and signalboost elected politicians who are willing to challenge that. Or civilians going the route of lawsuits. Or Luigy some motherfucker or two, but that’s more of a desperate option.
The same thing we did about Manzanar.
I’m sure all we need is enough class consciousness and gumption so our direct action can stop the fascist regime from implementing imperialism.
opposition? in THIS democratic party?
I’m gonna be mad about it and have a negative opinion about the US.
Better then trying to deflect it on the democrats through some crazy mental gymnastics.
Sorry, I’ve been getting trolled since about 10PM last night.
Nah, I know who’s responsible. I just can’t do anything from my country. That’s a US problem. And Cuba I guess.
I don’t know what gymnastics you’ve already seen, but I think they share some blame. I agree Trump proposing to send migrants to Guantanamo falls on Trump and Trump alone. However, Obama and Biden both campaigned on closing Guantanamo and claimed it was a priority for their legacy. Both had 2 terms each to do so. Both could have done so with executive orders without the need of congress. But as soon as they were elected you never heard about it again. Because Dems don’t want to close Guantanamo. They want to have an offshore prison where they can detain people without due process and torture them on foreign soil. Dems love the police state and Dems love military expansionism as much as Republicans. It would be a lot harder for Trump to send people to Guantanamo if the facility had already been shut down and turned over to the Cuban government. So its not the Democrat’s fault but it would not have been possible if they had followed through with their campaign promises. So fuck Trump and fuck Elon as well, but let’s not pretend the Dems actually have any intention of advancing a progressive or even a populist agenda because they don’t.
Neither side is good on this issue. Trump opened camps and Biden continued to use them.
Both sides. Interesting, take, never heard it before.
Im “both sidesing” this because on the issue of these camps the Biden administration continued to use them. Biden deported more people than Trump and partly that was done using these camps. If you don’t want people pointing out the democrats are just as guilty then the democrats have to choose to not be just as guilty
You very deliberately created a sentence rhat doesn’t tell the truth while being not incorrect.
There is nothing Biden administration did in 4 years that is even comparable to what Trump is doing, but because they also weren’t perfect and did some bad shit, you can technically say both sides bullshit as if you achieved something.
Well, I am ungenerous, by bothsidsing you actually helping the worst side, but I don’t know if that is your goal or not.
I don’t genuinely think there is anything we can do without getting rid of our current government in its entirety. That or stuff I won’t say online.
Maybe an actually successful general strike?
I really love the idea of a general strike. Sadly, I’m somehow a minority.
Bruh, more than a third of your voting population didn’t bother to vote. That was the best chance to avoid this shitshow. What makes you think they’ll go on strike?
I dont
It’s a great idea, I agree. But people have to realize that a good 40% of the country thinks that holding undocumented immigrants in a military prison indefinitely is hella balls-to-the-fucking-wall awesome. These people are not interested in striking and most of the 60% left over are worried they’ll get fired tomorrow if they don’t show up to work.
Not what I’m reading on r conservative but, sure, trumpist will slob trumps knob any day of the week.
Those who could do something about it won’t.
Those who would do something about it can’t.
Obama didn’t, even with a supermajority in the Senate. This is the problem with me liberalism taking over the D party. Trump certainly isn’t going to.
Obama didn’t open a concentration camp
He allowed extra-judicial torture practices there against UNHR and any humanitarian objections. He didn’t do what Trump is going to, but he allowed it to normalize and continue despite the power to stop it, and makes it less of a leap for a right wing freak to make something like this happen. It’s not a “thanks Obama”, but people down voting holding Obama to account for keeping it open want Dems to be blameless despite complicity in the neoliberal bullshit dating back to Clinton as the party swung for corporate interests and abandoned their humanity.
This has nothing to do with the democrats. Sit down you propagandist.
If you truly haven’t connected the dots as to why the slide to the right of Democrats enabled Trump to win, and win again, I pity you.
Throwing labels at me because you can’t refute the point is always the mark of someone on the correct side. Rest easy!
I’m sure the private prison industry will lobby to use them as slaves
I plan on complaining about it on the Internet. That’ll show 'em!
In the presidential campaign, when Trump said he would help out the average person, yet he filled his cabinet with nazi billionaires. I mean, what are we to believe, a criminal is held accountable, or something? Ha ha, boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
what are we to believe
Why Fox News, Newsmax and random cryptofucks of course!
That seems to be the sentiment
Ok, what are YOU going to about it? You’ve stomped your feet and pointed your finger at just about everyone else in this thread, what’s your plan?
My plan is to stand with the people who oppose this. That my plan.
Lol ok bud. Sounds more like a concept of a plan.
Your right friend. Getting involved in my community, being responsible for my neighbor, and advocating for justice is only a concept of a plan. Forcing myself out of bed in the morning, being a leader in the workplace and practicing my beliefs, being involved in local elections etc. Are details you are entirely uninterested in.
Hate to break it to you, but those are baseline minimums for being a decent human being, not a contingency plan to actively resist fascism.
Yep, we are all going to have to be decent human beings.
What do you suggest?
It is highly unlikely that anyone will be able to do anything about this, or any of the other many shotgun shenanigans rolling out of the White House of late. They’ve got all three branches of the federal government, laws clearly do not apply, and Trump himself has explicit permission from SCOTUS to commit crimes.
Any opportunity to stop all of this was at the beginning of November.
No, there is no stopping it, not any time soon. If there’s a midterm election, there might be a chance of wresting back one (or one half) of those branches of government, but even if Democrats take control of one or both houses, they don’t have the best track record of doing anything about it.
It will not end well, and when shit goes sideways, it’s gonna happen fast.
No one in the government is going to do anything about it. They’ll argue about it, but nothing will be done. They all bow and lick the boot of a fucking clown. Trump, with a lot of help from billionaires and the media, lied and manipulated his way into power, but he’s just a mouthpiece and easily manipulated himself. He’s not smart enough to come up with any of this. The fact that 33%+ of the country’s population thinks he’s a genius is sickening.
Immigration is the horror show they’re going to use as a distraction while they pass Christofascist laws, all while Trump and his new billionaire buddies loot the country. I would suggest everyone actually read Project 2025 and see what their future plans are.
Most power is freely given in authoritarian regimes. We should fight back, not give up hope. We should call and write our representatives in congress.
This was a law that went throught congress first. 12 democrats voted for it. Those Democrats we should be flooded with our thoughts and feelings on the issue.
Republicans as well. I’d like to believe there are a few left who don’t agree with what’s going on, but are too spineless to do anything about it. Maybe guilt and pressure can make them fight next time.
We should fight too and nail with everything we have. We haven’t totally lost our democracy until they shred the constitution and write a new one, or pack it with amendments.
Seriously. Americans act like scared puppies, barking but backing down when facing an inbred orange pomeranian.
The people have the power. Organize statewide protests, block roads, and mobilize the working class to stand against fascism. Be more like the French citoyens.
Stop waiting for someone else to save your asses. This is 2016 all over again, when you pinned your hopes on Mueller or some other investigator. No one is coming.
Stop whining. Take action. Fight fascism.
Every member of the military needs to be reminded that they are obligated to disobey illegal orders. They can be criminally charged for obeying an unlawful order.
Every member of the military needs to be reminded that the Posse Comitatus act prohibits the military from engaging in domestic law enforcement activities.
And every member of the military needs to be reminded that immigration is a law enforcement issue, not a military issue.
They will just remind them that trump is immune and he will pardon loyalists.
One final reminder to every military officer: The statute of limitations on these crimes extends well beyond Trump’s term. They can be prosecuted under the next president.
Not if trump blanket pardons. Say they move to impeach trump, he leverages the pardon to have those who would otherwise be court mashalled murder the legislator.
Trump’s power to pardon extends only to federal prosecution. Not state.
I certainly am not the one to parse what state crime would be leveraged but while its maybe true they could get him on something I’d need some more clarification before I outright agree.
Not him. The officers carrying out his unlawful orders.
“Just following orders” is not an excuse nor a pardon: military members can be criminally convicted for following an unlawful order. They just need to know what kind of order is illegal for them to follow.
Even in that case I’m not really sure. The most i know is military are tried by military courts which, I believe, aren’t really state or federal.
Which state jurisdiction is Cuba under?
The crime would be kidnapping, and it could be charged under the laws of any state they pass through on the way to Cuba.
Law enforcement is permitted to transport prisoners within the custody of the justice department, but the military has no state-level authority to do the same. Military members can be charged with state crimes if they do this.
I invite you to imagine a state or local prosecutor indicting a member of the armed forces for carrying out an order given by a superior.
That’s what yes-men are for – to work around such pesky limitations on power.
