I’m not a conspiracy theory guy but I seen the post on 9/11 on no stupid questions and it seemed more fleshed out than I expected.
So what are conspiracy theories that turned out to be true?
And what are the most believable conspiracy theories out there?
Conspiracy theories I like = Time Cube, Birds Arent Real, Roswell Rods, Reptilian Shapeshifters
Conspiracy theories I hate = Qanon, Agenda 21, Plandemic, Elders of Zion
Conspiracy theories that seem to be very complex/fleshed out = Fake Moon Landing, Jet Fuel Doesn’t Melt Steel Beams, Gangstalking
Conspiracy theories that turned out to be true = Tobacco company cover ups, US govt spying on people, various assassinations and political destabilization efforts eg assassination of Lumumba, carpet bombing of Laos, Operation Condor, weird shit like Israel facilitating the funding of Hamas.
Jet fuel doesn’t have to liquefy steel beams, it has to heat them enough to warp them beyond the structural integrity needed to hold up a fucking skyscraper
The whole jet fuel can’t melt steel beams theory also requires a flawed understanding of thermodynamics to work. A fire’s fuel is just part of the equation needed for temperature output. A coal fire will naturally burn around 900c, but with the proper air flow behind it, you can increase it to 1200c.
The theory is also dependent on people assuming that jet fuel is the primary combustion material, instead of what it really was, the primary ignition source. It was the early 00’s, a time before the age of digital storage, and that building had literally tons of paper in their storage rooms. Office fires are known to get very hot, there are plenty of pictures on the Internet of steel joists in an office building “melting” from just a regular old paper fire.
Finally, there is a difference between heat and temperature. Heat is the rate of which energy is transferred to material, temperature is how hot or cold something is. Meaning a large cooler fire may transfer more heat energy to a structure than a smaller hotter fire. It’s the equivalence of throwing a bar of iron in a bonfire compared to heating one end of the iron bar with a torch.
@Shalakushka just to be clear I’m not advocating any of these theories. I didn’t know what else to call that conspiracy theory.
Someone once handed me a DVD on the street and it had about 2 hours of interviews with engineers, diagrams, mathematics, etc on it so that’s my definition of fleshed out.
It’s not fleshed out because they got a bunch of idiots to talk on camera, and that’s basically the whole fucking problem right there. Conspiracy theories are anti knowledge.
@Shalakushka no, my point is it was full of diagrams and calculations and crap. I wish I could just show it to you.
I’m not talking about some Ancient Aliens style talking heads and dramatic music. It was on a par with that stuff the Moon landings people get up to with crosshairs analysis and speeds.
You still sound like you think I am somehow agreeing with these theories on some level? I don’t get why.
An idea needs more than a bunch of content made for it to be genuinely fleshed out. It has to try to address counter-arguments. Like, for instance, how it doesn’t matter what fuel you use to generate heat in an enclosed space. The temperature an oven reaches is not dependent on what fuel you use to heat it, it’s dependent on how well the space insulates and retains heat.
You can melt steel with a wood fire, in an appropriate oven.
Different fuels absolutely burn at different temps.
I’m a welder and a blacksmith.
When you’re using coal, you use an easily ignitable fuel, like wood or naptha to get the coal to burn.
The coal burns hotter and is harder i start than your starter fuel, and cannot be started with just a spark.
The coal burns down into coke, a totally different substance, which burns hotter than the coal.
Even still, on your third level of fuel, in order to actually get steel to a workable temp, you’ve got to add more oxygen, to make it burn even faster and hotter.
This is all inside a forge, a device that’s well insulated and made to heat steel to a workable temp.
There are other fuels that can be made to work, and they all also require blower fans, to add more oxygen.
Or in the case of an oxy/acetelne cutting torch, a bottle of pure o2
Charcoal, derived from wood in a similar fashion to coke from coal, can sort of be used, but does not and will not burn hot enough for anything much larger than a spoon, and aimply can’t get hot enough for forge welding.
Now, essentially a giant housefire, getting hot enough to get those steel beams to fail? Sure!
Why’d they collapse from the bottom, that wasn’t on fire?
Depends entirely on the design and structure of your forge. Heat can be added in unlimited quantities, and so long as it cannot escape through any openings or through anything weakly insulating, it will simply accumulate … and accumulate … and accumulate, as you add more and more joules. The temp will get hotter … and hotter … and hotter. What your source of heat is, is irrelevant. This is how the interior of your car gets hotter than the surroundings on a sunny day, despite the source being the same, yes? Containment of the slowly-accumulating heat.
It’s like weight. It doesn’t matter how heavy a hippo is, if we keep adding hippo … after hippo … after hippo to a set of scales, we can eventually reach whatever weight, yes? Accumulation, not individual hippo weight, is what matters. Heat in a forge is no different, assuming your forge contains all the heat produced properly.
And they didn’t, they collapsed starting higher up. Check an unedited video.
The concept of conspiracy theories as you understand it is a ruse, a misinformation tool.
Look up mk ultra, and some of the other shit the cia has actually gotten up to.
Or hemmingway, being paranoid and crazy. Ah, turns out they were following him and fucking with him, even inside the loony bin!
Nowadays you get qanon and other obviously stupid bullshit rolled under the conspiracy theory label, and that’s the fucking point
So sinclair, the one company that runs basically all major news outlets in the US, can discredit anything with one turn of phrase.
So like yeah, you’re kinda right. But there is real, fucked up shit that gets swept under that label, and ignored at large because of it.
Conspiracy theories that turned out to be true
My favourite of these is MK Ultra
@bionicjoey The Men Who Stare At Goats blew my mind. It seems way too nutty to be real.
I thought gangstalking was just people thinking they’re stalked by some 3 letter agencies. They are more elaborate than that?
Time Cube?
A theory created by a schizophrenic dude claiming that we’re being educated to stay ignorant of the true nature of time, which can make us immortal.
Peta is a front by the meat industry, to discredit vegans and environmentalists.
I can almost believe this one…
Putin did 9/99 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
if you even want to call it a conspiracy theory, that is
This event is a sterling example of a false flag, the target, the response, all scream ‘Let’s strike fear into our own people’.
That a member of the Secret Service accidentally shot President Kennedy. Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFK - Wiki article on 1992 book putting forward the idea
I read that book cover to cover when it came out (still have my copy somewhere), and I must say that the author makes a pretty compelling case.
The main theory is that someone (maybe Oswald, maybe someone else) was shooting from the book depository, but they only got off two shots. The 3rd shot was from the rifle of a Secret Service agent in the convertible directly behind Kennedy, which went off accidentally as he turned to return fire to the book depository.
The author shows how the bullet that blew off the top of Kennedy’s head was a soft metal jacket like the Secret Service used, while the first two shots were hard metal jackets, which was what was found in the depository. (He goes into great detail on the ballistics.) Because of the shape and acoustics of Dealy Plaza, a gunshot coming from the car behind Kennedy could sound like it came from the grassy knoll. Lastly, it would explain why people in the plaza claimed they smelled gunpowder, which wouldn’t be possible if the only shots came from the book depository.
The author posits that the two shots that got Kennedy from the book depository might have killed him anyway, but the 3rd and fatal headshot was an accident from the Secret Service agent who was sitting on the back of the convertible in front of Kennedy with his feet in the back seat. He stumbled as he tried to stand in the seat to turn and return fire to whoever was shooting from the book depository behind him, and the rifle accidentally discharged, thus the title of the book Mortal Error.
Wait—so the idea here is that it was an accidental discharge that just so happened to hit the same guy, in the same spot, that the assassin was already shooting at? And here I thought that Archduke Ferdinand was unlucky!
“It was a million to one shot, doc!”
It was Jackie O who pulled the trigger.
I like to think it was the bumbling, time-traveling crew of a mining ship from the far future that convinced JFK to shoot himself to protect his legacy.
What a bunch of smegheads.
CoIntelPro.
Just, go look.
Well that’s hardly a theory, it’s proven fact at this point
Try telling that to the magahats
Micheal Hastings was murdered
Mk ultra turned out to be real
And most of the unabomber’s manifesto ended up being accurate as well…
Yeah accurate in the sense horoscopes are.
Tell me you didn’t read the Unabomber manifesto without telling me you didn’t read the Unabomber manifesto.
He NAILED social disconnectedness, with the caveat that he couldn’t imagine that the internet would make this 100x times worse in a span of 15 years.
I read his manifesto. Don’t call me a liar again.
Of course he “nailed” it. It is a Barnum statement. Literally any time in human history you can bring up social disconnect and it will apply to someone. Just read T.S. Eliot the man was whining about being lonely in London turn of last century. Humans are social animals so yeah there is always going to be someone who feels like they aren’t getting enough attention.
It wasn’t a ‘barnum’ statement and you’ve proven your intellectual dishonesty.
I hereby banish you from my internet forever, liar.
Yes pointing out that humans being lonely is really freaken profound.
Alex Jones and David Icke are CIA assets.
Hollow earth theory is one of personal favorites, mainly due to how batshit insane it is, and how unhinged the supporters are. They make flat earthers seem like functional members of society in comparison.
For the uninitiated: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth
The Hollow Earth is a concept proposing that the planet Earth is entirely hollow or contains a substantial interior space
Huh Edmund Halley, big claim.
The only thing I know Edmund Halley from is an audio drama I listen to. Is there a conspiracy surrounding this astronomer?
No it’s just he’s a very famous man. It’s like saying before Stephen Hawkins died he had a conspiracy theory.
Though really it would me more like Einstein saying quantum mechanics is wrong. It’s just a scientist making a hypothesis and then being wrong about it. But the fact it started by such a famous person is kinda cool.
Edmond Halley from the Magnus archives is much cooler. He was forcibly drowned in a pool of absolute darkness belonging to a cult he was apart of and absorbed an embodiment of nyctophobia which he used to swap bodies for centuries effectively achieving immortality until he could somehow find a way to darken the sun. Real Edmond Halley is still cool though
I guess it’s technically part of the larger “Q-Anon” stuff, but I particularly like the one that says liberals have an underground submarine base under Central Park in NYC where they go to drink baby blood.
Where are you liberals organizing all of this stuff? Is there a Discord chat or something? Can I get an invite?
Lick a horny toad, dive deep into the cavernous tavern, it will be beamed to you in a vision
The octonauts are secretly the HYDRA youth recruitment division
Birds aren’t real.
Neither is Finland
Neither is Wyoming but they have 2 senators
I have been there multiple times. It is real and it has people in it.
Sorry I forgot the /s. The joke is in the context of population and percentages the total population as a percentage of the US hoovers a little under 0.20%.
That’s why the internet meme of some place doesn’t exist is because it rounds up to an statistical mistake.Oh! Very amusing
Wyoming exists, but it has no population. The senators’ constituents are bison 🦬
I fucking hate this one, you’re blocked.
Tony Blair was a CIA plant. This was told to me by a colleague who was told this by his vicar. I find it highly plausible. I also joke that his predecessor John Smith was murdered to make way for Tony Blair, but if it turned out to be true I wouldn’t be 100% surprised.
Denver Airport
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hellsiterexxit, but there’s this one guy who always posts the same time when these things are posted on the old place: Diana Ross and Smokey Robinson are Michael Jackson’s real parents. I don’t know that he’s convinced me, but it’s an interesting theory.Damn, that’s a good one.
