Is anyone actually surprised by this?
US and the west: … Spying is not acceptable! … except if our companies are doing it
Bootlickers downvoting
When my daddy abuses me that’s love 🤡
Nope, At least we can check DeepSeek’s source code
Unlike OpenAI… oops I meant ClosedAI
Yes, that is how these generative AI imementations work.
If you think the American companies do anything different you’re not paying attention and simply believing the propaganda.
Let the FUD begin!
Did they become american company?
Well, at least models are downloadable.
Get it all you can, nvidia’s already lobbying to make them a security risk, competition is bad for business.
nvidia is one of the greediest companies rn
All public companies by definition have to be greedy it’s unfortunate but it’s how capitalism works.
nvidia takes that to a whole new level
Run it locally then
Thanks, managed to have it installed locally bia pocket pal (termux was giving me errors constantly on compile). Out of curiosity, I made a very “interesting” prompt, and frankly I am not even surprised
EDIT: decided to be a little spicier, didn’t fail to amuse me
This is mildly pedantic but you’re not actually running Deepseek R1, you’re running a 7B version of Qwen that’s been fine-tuned on Deepseek R1 outputs. All of the “distilled” models are existing models trained on R1.
Nice catch. I’ll be sure after do run the real thing
If you don’t know what you are doing please stop trying to act like an expert in the subject.
When did they claim to be an expert??
That so edgy, man. I bet all the girls in your high school think you’re the raddest.
other ai services do too. u might not realize it.
Let the witch hunt begin.
Chinese company does what American companies have done for 25+ years now!
Is it time for REAL data privacy laws or are we just gonna keep playing whack-a-mole with Chinese tech companies that get us nowhere?
Our data’s just too valuable for these parasites. Data privacy laws may eventually pass to compel software companies to store everything in US servers only.
Excellent Point. If that’s the case though, then wouldn’t other countries follow suit which still limits big tech’s reach and makes them less profitable and less powerful? Idk. Guess we’ll see how it plays out. Either way, I’m staying as far from those ecosystems as possible to at least try to mitigate some of what they do. I’ll never be totally successful, genie is put of the bottle, but we can at least attempt.
No.
As opposed to Microsoft, Google, … NSA, or GCHQ servers. Or all of the above.
Yeah, but these are wholesome domestic spy agencies that are just looking after you and protect you from yourself.
[stellar wind has never left the chat]
Fuck. They told me that they were storing my backups.
Same as Chrome’s magic bar, or android keyboard no ? So in the end, does USA doing it good because “democracy” (never ever with napalm) when China is bad because human rights violation (USA never did anything like this) ?
Seriously this. Nothing that China is accused of doing is any worse than what i know America has done. If it’s the Chinese Communist Party stealing your data at least you know it won’t be used to inject ads everywhere you go on the internet
At least they’re transparent about it, unlike american companies that hide behind convoluted terms of services and then sell the data behind your back but it’s technically legal.
China’s like “yeah we collect everything”. I can appreciate the honesty.
detective conan sure had a hard time cracking the case!
“The personal information we collect from you may be stored on a server located outside of the country where you live. We store the information we collect in secure servers located in the People’s Republic of China,” the privacy policy reads.
Oh the horror! Let’s look at what our glorious spawns-of-techbro heroism has for us in store:
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OpenAI processes your Personal Data for the purposes described in this Privacy Policy on servers located in various jurisdictions, including processing and storing your Personal Data in our facilities and servers in the United States. While data protection law varies by country, we apply the protections described in this policy to your Personal Data regardless of where it is processed, and only transfer that data pursuant to legally valid transfer mechanisms.
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When you access our website or Services, your personal data may be transferred to our servers in the US, or to other countries outside the European Economic Area (“EEA”) and the UK. This may be a direct provision of your personal data to us, or a transfer that we or a third party make.
So not only is your data “possibly” stored in one country, now there’s a possibility of it being stored in many different countries. Where’s the outcry for that?
Ok, so maybe your data being under the jurisdiction of another country is sus, right?
In another section about how DeepSeek shares user data, the company states that it may share user information to “comply with applicable law, legal process, or government requests.”
OH MY GOD SOUND THE ALARM!
ChatGPT:
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We may use Personal Data for the following purposes: […] To comply with legal obligations and to protect the rights, privacy, safety, or property of our users, OpenAI, or third parties.
Claude:
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Pursuant to regulatory or legal requirements, safety, rights of others, and to enforce our rights or our terms. We may disclose personal data to governmental regulatory authorities as required by law, including for legal, tax or accounting purposes, in response to their requests for such information or to assist in investigations. We may also disclose personal data to third parties in connection with claims, disputes or litigation, when otherwise permitted or required by law, or if we determine its disclosure is necessary to protect the health and safety of you or any other person, to protect against fraud or credit risk, to enforce our legal rights or the legal rights of others, to enforce contractual commitments that you have made, or as otherwise permitted or required by applicable law.
So not only can your data be subject to the authorities, but it’s also handed out to 3rd parties (mind you, DeepSeek does the exact same, so why is it any surprise?).
Not only does DeepSeek collect “text or audio input, prompt, uploaded files, feedback, chat history, or other content that [the user] provide[s] to our model and Services,” …
🤦… You get the idea now, bother yourself with the privacy policies of the respective contemporaries and CTRL + F to “User Content” or “User Input”… Same fucking shit.
Companies with AI models like Google, Meta, and OpenAI collect similar troves of information, but their privacy policies do not mention collecting keystrokes.
Yes, collecting keystrokes is probably the oddest thing here. To compare data farming giants with a decade and a half’s worth of data collection to a startup in terms of data collection is so astronomically dumb.
I could go on but I’m bored now. Do your own research.
Not quite on topic but semi related… It’s reasons like this that I started reading privacy policies many times before signing up for a service.
People would be surprised at some of the extremely concerning things are listed in there. Some is for good reason but some stuff is absolutely unnecessary and should be an issue for some people.
off-topic here as well, why stop at privacy policies? EULAs can get wilder, best such example of which is Apple:
The way this is worded, technically you’re not allowed to use a Mac for designing a 3D printed nerf dart.
If I’m typing into the app, is that really collecting keystrokes?
And why is that an issue? It’s typing data sent to a language model. What nefarious info might they be looking for? Learning to imitate humans? Fingerprinting? Making the best virtual keyboard asmr?
If you’ve got nothing to hide you don’t have to worry ?
I shouldn’t have anything to hide, but I’m part of a group the current fascist leadership in government want’s to eradicate, so hide I shall.
That said, I also feel like people acting like the remote server they are connected to is tracking what you do on it as some kind of surprise is so stupid. “Facebook is keeping track of the pictures I uploaded to it!!!” There’s a lot of stuff to complain about Facebook, google, or whoever, but them tracking stuff you send to them willingly isn’t one of them.
Fair, but I don’t know what exactly I’d be hiding here
Beware! Anything you type into a Google search is sent to Google’s servers!
i mean…yes? that is generally how search platforms work.
I wouldn’t recommend anybody use any google based stuff directly (or at all, if possible) but if you do, then sending the search query is generally what would happen.
That’s the point. There is nothing strange or shady about the fact that things you type into DeepSeek.com are sent to DeepSeek.com. Obviously keystrokes you submit to a website are submitted to the website.
Oh yeah, the whole article could be reductively summed up as
“DeepSeek and all the other LLM services are almost as bad as each other, but we think deepseek is worse…because the Chinese government are known for doing bad things”.
The title is factual, if a little clickbaity.
Obviously keystrokes you submit to a website are submitted to the website.
This though, it’s not technically accurate, a lot of forms and input are done client side and then the resulting information is parceled up and sent to the server.
The actual keystroke data isn’t normally sent.
Though this article doesn’t go in to what kind of keystroke data is sent, if it was something more than just which keys in which order then that’s perhaps an indicator that it’s actively being collected for a reason, rather than just incidentally.
If you want to get really paranoid about such things it’s known that you can you can do interesting things with actual keystroke data.
Also, afaict none of the the non-chinese services have specified that they don’t do this.
This “China’s AI is taking your data and that’s bad” is shockingly similar to “TikTok is taking your data and that’s bad”. Lots of US counterparts do the same thing, but I don’t see (as much) media coverage about that.
Don Draper: “no no no, everyone else’s cigarettes are dangerous. Lucky Strikes are… toasted.”
The way I think of it is, I don’t live in China, so regardless of my objections to their values or human rights abuses, why would CCP or an affiliated company care about me or ruin my life on the basis of or by abusing my data? A big part of why I care about privacy is I don’t want to be filtering my every thought through consideration of whether the powers that be would approve, and US companies are way more relevant to that.
Sell to the highest bidder
These the excuses you start to make when you’re losing. Not looking great for the US…
