Having Cloudflare work with Firefox would be much more useful. Having horrendous problems with CF+Firefox this past month, always get stuck in the infinite captcha loop.
Cloudflare has pretty much banned me using FF as of late and it sucks ass in a bad way.
Works fine for me. Have you made sure it’s not caused by an extension?
Yeah, spoofing user agent can cause this for instance.
cloudflare is kinda aggressive lately for me, this happens in both chrome/ium and firefox. the solution is to pass the captcha once from a different browser or device on the same network
Its happening on both my laptop and big computer. FF updated to latest on both, only extensions Ublock Origin, Block HTML5 Autoplay and Zotero. Doesnt work in different networks.
Accessing the same sites with Brave or Vivaldi, no problems. It sucks ass and I’m certainly not the only one with this problem. Why the heck does this problem keep popping up with FF periodically, judging by both FF and CF support forums?
CF’s captcha works by activating obscure browser features banking that bots haven’t implemented them or behave just differently enough to stick out as unusual. Try creating a new profile with default settings, and if that works try adding your customizations back one by one until you find the one breaking CF.
Okay thanks, I hadnt thought about that. Gonna give it try.
I had that issue for a while and it turns out I forgot I had an extension changing my user agent. After I changed it back to default everything worked fine.
I did that too but it sometimes works, sometimes doesn’t, it’s nuts
Is there a bug already reported for this?
I have no idea, but the issue has been periodically reported in FF forums at least since '22.
I don’t have an issue wit cloudfare and ff
Tab. Groups.
Tab groups, vertical tabs, synced Workspaces. I’ve hacked together most of it, but being able to have separated pages of tabs synced through my account would be a godsend. Only thing keeping me on MS Edge.
I don’t know why I never vibed with vertical tabs, but I’ve just never been able to make it work mentally. And I could see a double-edged sword with synced workspaces (I think having a button to click and see open tabs on other devices is a perfect middle ground). Personally, tab groups is the only thing I miss from Chromium. I used the feature for grouping, but also for labeling tabs: “Check back Tuesday,” or “Don’t forget to follow up,” or whatever. If they gave us tab groups and then never updated Firefox again, I think I would be pretty happy.
EDIT: well okay not happy, but I would be satisfied with the browser we ended up with.
Do you mean never updated, or never adding new features? Because Firefox would be unusuable within 6 months because of how the web works if it stopped being updated
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Yes, I was speaking hyperbolically.
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My hyperbole also presumes that Gecko continues to be updated, though the browser would get no further updates.
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This hyperbolic hypothetical is truly impossible, since Firefox is open-source. It would continue to be maintained by SOMEone.
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Six months might be a bit pessimistic. It might start being less reliable within six months, but the pace of WHATWG RFCs has been dwindling gradually since the mid-2000s. Honestly, I think operating system changes would be more likely to render Firefox’s codebase obsolete before web standards do.
I get that you were being hyperbolic, I’m honestly not sure why I left my previous comment, you’re absolutely right
If nothing else, you have given me the gift of “hyperbolic hypothetical,” so thank you for that
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Yes
Not a fan of Edge, but absolutely love the tab groups. Use them at work all the time.
Catching up to Opera circa 2006. Opera added this feature in Opera 9, released June 2006.
I still miss the old Opera. The Chromium-based version just isn’t the same.
I still have a copy of Opera 12 on one of my old machines. Good times. Presto!
I wish it still worked well on modern sites. I used Opera from around 2000 until when they switched to Chromium in 2012ish. The first version I ever used predated the Presto engine. I used it for everything except web development (which I did using Firefox and Firebug) and sites that needed ActiveX (where I had to use IE).
These days I usually use Firefox, except I use Chrome for web development since its dev tools are a bit more responsive on complex sites compared to Firefox’s.
“We’re super excited to announce that we’re working on a feature that has been requested by no one ever”.
Chrome has it for some reason so I guess they’re just copying them
being chrome but slightly worse at some things and slightly better at other things certainly sounds like a winning move…
It’s a stay-in-the-competition one. While I would love to see a ground breaking change soon, Mozilla surely can’t do that in every update.
Not a bad feature IMO…
I requested it
This is not even close to the worst thing they have ever done, but stuff like this is a waste of resources. People mostly want official vertical tabs and more than anything engine performance improvements. (and the ability to pretend to be Chrome in Youtube)
engine performance improvements
Absolutely. Firefox is so slow compared to Chrome. Switching tabs, scrolling, video calls, … sure. Sure, Chrome/Chromium is a memory hog, but come on Mozilla, just invest in Servo already and stop adding useless features.
Good morning, babe! Servo ended ages ago, and a lot of the performance improvements from it got absorbed into Quantum as l10n and Rust code. I was alpha testing Servo back in the day.
Firefox desktop performance is on par with Chromium. Also Servo is now a project under the Linux Foundation, and likely Mozilla Corp doesn’t have enough employees to contribute to external projects.
Firefox desktop performance is on par with Chromium.
Mate, I don’t know what kind of beast or toaster you have as a machine, but my experience tells me otherwise.
Also Servo is now a project under the Linux Foundation, and likely Mozilla Corp doesn’t have enough employees to contribute to external projects.
Yes, Mozilla fired the entire Servo team and gave their previous CEO a raise during the pandemic. They can still pivot and focus on Firefox instead of whatever other stuff they have been doing.
Same. Install Firefox on a ChromeBook, which are almost all universally low powered, then watch it chug.
I don’t care how long the former CEO has been involved with the foundation, she has not been good for Mozilla.
This is a useless feature. Here are some purely UI features that are more important, and exist in Chromium:
- more compact tab bar, saving space
- CSD decorations (_ 🔳 x) in the top right, hitbox at the very edge, f**k GNOME for this
- Tab groups natively in the Tab bar, its the most organic
Apart from that Firefoxes UI is way better than Chromiums and doesnt need to copy anything.
Then work on performance, process isolation etc.
As I said somewhere else, to get more compact tabs you can go to about:config and search for a setting called
browser.tabs.tabMinWidth, I usually change the number to 20 (the default minimum width is like 70) and tabs are allowed to become roughly as narrow as in chrome. And if by “more compact tab bar” you meant how tall tabs are, there’s thebrowser.compactmode.showsetting, put it to “true” and then in the Firefox menu under More Tools → Customize Toolbars you can select “compact mode” in the “Density” menu on the bottom, which makes the tab bar and toolbars shorterNo I meant vertical hight. The horizontal width is way better than in Chromium, same with the “scroll tab feature” which works well better.
That second setting is beta so its not shown
Beta? It isn’t experimental, it was an official feature that is no longer supported (even if it still works perfectly).
Oh thats even worse haha.
> more compact tab bar, saving space
Not sure if you’re aware, but there’s a hidden setting to make Firefox’s toolbars more compact:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/compact-mode-workaround-firefoxCool, will try that!
I really hope you can turn this off
why? It’s objectively better?
it also shows the url of the page, super convinientIt’s objectively worse. Fancier but objectively worse.
Another big, distracting pop-up that has no benefit over the existing tool tip which is still distracting when it pops up unintentionally. Also the preview will use more system resources.
your gpu is actually much slower at text rendering than rendering images
It’s not objectively better or worse. Some people will prefer it and some people won’t.
It’s objectively worse. Fancier but objectively worse.
It isn’t though, Firefox stock tab management is awful, when you pile up a decent number of tabs you can’t even see the name of the tab properly, this happens in all the browsers ofc, but at least you can have more tabs opened without this being an obstacle.
You really need 3rd party add-ons to manage your tabs with Firefox, unlike in Chrome, Vivaldi, or even Safari.
With this feature at least you can have a quick look at your tabs easily, just like with the aforementioned browsers… Now I really hope they could add a button like Safari where you can see all your tabs too…
Not objectively worse or objectively better, but subjectively worse.
There’ll be a setting in about:config no doubt.
Indeed. I get there are people who probably like this feature, but not me.
I’m tired of Mozilla pushing UI changes on people just for the sake of “progress”.
…especially when they don’t bother to fix years (sometimes decades) old bugs.
hover your mouse
gross
Yeah I always turn off that previi crap immediately as it usually gets in my way of doing things. Please don’t even spend time on this feature, I don’t really see the use
I miss the days with Opera. Not only could it group tabs, but it had previews too. Mouse gestures. Keyword searches. Page link filters and batch operations. RSS-reader. Chrome didn’t even exist back then, and IE and Firefox are still playing catch up. Kinda amazing to think about it.
The gestures were amazing. Some are ingrained in my muscle memory after all these years.
Same here. And the single-key shortcuts for switching tabs. Modern browsers don’t even come close.
Brave has configurable keybinds, you can set any key you want to do anything.
However I still need to use the vimium extension to have proper keyboard only web navigation, because with the exception of qutebrowser none of the “popular” web browsers have the select link mode with the f key.
Missing the days when developing a new browser was possible.
Have they ever said if vertical-tabs is a feature they will add? Vivaldi and Edge both support it by default and it’s awesome.
By vertical tabs do you mean tabs on the side instead of the top? If so, check out the tree-style tabs extension, it’s great.
The extension is awkward to use imo. The way Vivaldi has it integrated for example is miles better and I really want to see Firefox do same.
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I think many people in the comments suffer from some version of curse of knowledge.
Sure, this feature us quite irrelevant for a power user who is quick to navigate the browser and needs a split second to remember what tab it is simply by reading the header and seeing the icon.
However, many less proficient people can benefit from this feature. Not once I saw how someone who has 10 tabs open and needs to go to a different webpage, starts meticulously clicking through every single one of them because they have no idea how the page they are looking for is called, they are too overwhelmed by using web as a whole to take notice.
Agreed. As a Netscape/Phoenix stan since late 90s, I sometimes do like the peeking feature on Ungoogled Chromium. Yes, I am a power user, but often I have one trillion tabs open with just the webpage tab icon barely visible, and need to check roughly what the tab is showing.
I would even propose there should be a very faint 1-2 pixel thick scrollbar so you can see how far you scroll on your hundreds of tabs left/right, similar to vertical tabs having a scrollbar for Tree Style Tabs.
Oh great. As if my life doesn’t have enough curses on it.
How is hovering over a tab and waiting for a preview faster than clicking it?
Again, in my opinion you approach the problem like a power user. Using a browser is not a speedrun where every millisecond matters. Here is why I think it provides more comfort to an average user:
- No need to divert attention and look around the monitor. When you’re not well versed with a mouse, it’s easier to click and look at the same place
- Nothing distracts you unlike when you click through pages. Imagine going from dark theme page to a light theme page, the entire screen suddenly lights up
- Depending on the way it is implemented (perhaps by keeping compressed page screenshots?), it might be faster to show a preview than to render the page again on a weak machine
I’m not sure how clicking can be considered “power user”… Had I said “just install tree style tabs, it’s much better”, you might’ve had a point, but you’re arguing that clicking is worse than hovering. Really can’t agree with you.
But hey, I don’t give money to Mozilla and the chance is very low that I ever will, so they can do what they want. If they think this is how they want to spend the 500 million they get from Google, that’s their prerogative.
Power users love to bash accessibility features like this. Its a classic case of “I don’t need a wheelchair ramp so i dont know why the library added one!”
Accessibility is way more than screen readers. It’s more than specific disability-minded modes. The web needs to be friendly to everyone, including people who may not know they could benefit from accessibility features. Everyone benefits from this type of work.
There are definitely some legit feature concerns and priorities being called out here. Mozilla has left a lot to be desired of late on that front. But a power user is more than capable of jumping into settings or about:config to turn things like this off, or finding an extension to get by for now.
Also the firefox dev team isn’t tiny. This isn’t blocking other work or anything in a substantial way, it’s a fairly isolated piece of UI, and there’s no guarantee that skipping this would change the timeline on anything else.
I don’t understand how someone can have 10 or more tabs open. The times when I have “many” tabs open is when I’m looking for references while doing art, and that still hardly ever surpasses 5 tabs! XD
Currently have 23 tabs open, 7 are youtube, 3 lemmies, and i guess the rest are docs I cant tell I’d greatly benefit from the tab previewer
I think it’s much easier to have more than to have less. Most people I encounter have such a mess of pages in their browser, makes my hair stand on end. If we continue to approach this as an accessibility feature, it starts to make even more sense since tons of users have so many tabs they only see icons, not page names
This was already a thing for ages until they killed it, but it is still possible if you are okay with tweaking userChrome.css
Why Mozilla wastes resources on their own implementation instead of providing API’s to third party developers is beyond me.
Your first link is based on XUL, which was deprecated because it was wasting resources being unmaintainable and insecure.
Here’s a great article about that
This person said XUL is insecure! Any Palemoon users here? Anyone wanting to tell them that Mozilla is totally taking away user Freedom and that Palemoon is a totally secure Browser? XD
Shhh, they’ll hear you
Admittedly, yes, XUL was a complete shitfest. Though I remember that it was more due to security patches and poor memory management that caused the apparent poor performance, not so much for addons. I was on waterfox classic at the time of writing of this article and had like 30 addons enabled, including TST, CRT, and TileTabs. all non-e10s-blocking, and, I assure you, it was just as fast(and slow) as quantum.
But, that’s besides the point. Customization, especially via addon’s, was one of the defining features of Firefox. Before, you had opera, which you could customize it within certain limits, Firefox if you want full control, and IE if you’re a dummy. Now, you have Vivaldi if you want customization within certain limits, Chrome if you’re a dummy, and Firefox is… just… not chrome? I’d say the addons should’ve been kept at all costs, maybe in a different way, without amputating the whole browser. But they did and it lost it’s appeal to a major portion of people. Of course there are still exclusive features like container tabs and min vid, but those are not exclusive to quantum either. The whole ordeal sounds just like that time when Yandex, in order to solve a support ticket overflow, just removed the contact support button.
Here I’m still waiting for an official vertical tabs feature.
In the meantime, Floorp has it built-in to the browser.
I was aware of Floorp and had no particular interest in trying it until now. On my way to install it now!
Last time I looked at Floorp was when it was first announced and it seemed to just be hardened Firefox, similar to Librewolf. It’s gained a ton of features since then!
A designer knows they have achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
Firefox is the best browser because it has the least bloat. This is bloat. Are we doomed to go down the same path with everything?
Well if they want something to do, I’d kill for the option of fullscreen mode not pushing the entire contents of the page down when I hover too high instead of overlaying the tab bar on top of the content.
It’s got bloat like the pocket thing
Every few months when I open firefox with a fresh profile, I’m surprised at the shit they keep adding. For some time there was a fox that would pop up and ask some question I can’t remember anymore because it was immediately clicked away. Their welcome wizard is also too long and could just be on a different page. At one point there was even an ad for their VPN. And sometimes, on some random sites, a translation popup with appear that I never asked for.
I wish there were more competition in the browser space.
Pocket was really useful a ~decade ago, when it was still an add-on that did its one job: saving webpages in a “reader mode” to read offline. Now it’s just sponsored spam IMO
