Why are the journalist bending over to Musk?
(IMO) Because many people don’t want a solution to the things that bother them. People need a villian regardless of how they have to manipulate their own narrative
There was a lot more demonstrations and outrage during Trump’s first term. I think now everyone is just exhausted and over it. Dems got beaten pretty bad in the election, and are probably very demoralized after this outcome. Maybe it will add up to a landslide in the next senate/congress election, maybe not.
They weren’t beaten badly, it was barely a 1.5% margin. Electoral votes….different story. But even then, this illustrates that a few more votes in key states would have had a drastically different outcome.
Thats still beaten badly. The election is entirely about winning electoral votes, and the dems failed that. They didn’t win votes in the right places and lost votes compared to the last election.
The entire presidential election campaign is always about winning electoral votes and that means winning votes in swing states.
I find this line of thinking so defeatist. Yes, we all know the electoral college is the system, but all also know it’s a sham and almost every honest person hates it because it undermines the idea of democracy. Imo the day people stop thinking the popular vote is what should count is the day we all collectively gave up on democracy.
It’s truth, though. I don’t like it either, but we know the popular vote is currently meaningless. I’ll champion any cause that wants to change that, but there’s zero chance of that happening while the GOP controls the house, the senate, the courts, and the presidency.
Ok, you’re right in this sense. However, I meant beaten badly in the sense of expectations vs. reality. If you followed any media, it was supposed to be a slight edge for Kamala, or at least a good chance for an upset. In the end the R’s got president, senate and congress. And the outcome was clear after the first few hours, unlike something like Gore vs. Bush.
I agree. I certainly felt the outcome was going to be much different.
I think they mean “beaten badly” as in “lost control of all three branches of government” not so much “Trump landslide vote.”
The person you responded to even said “Dems got beaten pretty bad” not “Harris got beaten pretty bad.”
By the metric of losing the house, losing the senate, losing the judiciary, and losing the presidency is a pretty deep blow.
I didn’t think “Dems got beaten pretty bad in the election” was open to mean all elections.
There was only one, there are more seats than just the president up for vote on election day.
Maybe next time they’ll lose by even less! That’s about the best progress I can hope for in this country in my lifetime.
Definitely. This is what beaten badly looks like:
Depends on how badly he fucks up the country.
We won’t get legit progressive reform until there is another depression or world war.
There were more variables than just Trump.
COVID and all the conditions it created.
Why are the journalist bending over to Musk?
Because performative protest like wearing pussy hats isn’t actually as effective as general strikes or direct action.
The McResistance fades because that’s all it ever was.
God all the fucking rich elite throwing literally abortion themed parties around the DNC meeting before the election was so fucking tone deaf and the exact kind of thing people will use against the party in an election and yet they still went through with it because performance is all that they know.
Yes. Democractic establishment throws elections away rather than tries to win them. And frankly the professional elite base of the party is more than happy with it and thinks if you disagree with them you’re an uneducated sexist/racist.
It’s also far less effective than building a strong politician coalition, as Trump and his supports did.
Frankly if I went to a MAGA rally I’d probably feel more accepted and welcomed than I by my fellow Democratic voters. And this is why Trump got so many votes this time. His supporters are enthusiastic, energized, and generally welcome to anyone who is angry and upset. Democrats kept chiding the voters they should be so lucky to have a black female president in such a great economy and if you weren’t supporting them you were a bad person.
Frankly as a white guy from a working-class background, all the D have done for me is alienate me for 20+ years now. And tell me that I should vote for them anyway.
Ok, you’re right in this sense. However, I meant beaten badly in the sense of expectations vs. reality. If you followed any media, it was supposed to be a slight edge for Kamala, or at least a good chance for an upset. In the end the R’s got president, senate and congress. And the outcome was clear after the first few hours, unlike something like Gore vs. Bush.
To what end? People were warned. People lived through 4 years of this. People remember the shortages and inept handling og COVID. People voted for this.
Should I explain why having a totalitarian govt with the modern technologies is a VERY bad idea?
i think their point might have been -
you don’t have to, enough of this country either heard it and didn’t care, or just doesn’t care
leading a horse to water and all that, maybe?
Not to me, and not to them either. I already know, and Trump supports don’t care. These people don’t read history and were brought up through a poor quality education system that told them the US was the greatest nation on earth and we never did anything bad, and if we did, well, it worked out in the end didn’t it?
Those who read history are doomed to watch those who don’t read history repeat it.
Would rioting actually make anything better? Seems like people have more to lose by rioting than they do by posting a mean tweet
I agree, people disagree, seriously, I don’t care about the tweering stuff, but, say I gather 20-50 people and hold a demonstration at what, city hall? State Capitol? My local, and stae government wont change. So what am I supposed to do? go to a republican state and cause aimless mayhem? Am I supposed to take a semester off from college and work with the funds I do not have to travel to D.C. and what call for him to step down? His impeachment? Better accountability? He wont, his party wont.
What’s needed is not a protests, not a demonstration, not even a riot could seemingly change this. Realistically it would need to be a revolution. and Realistically people living paycheck to paycheck are not highly motivated to throw away thier life so they can risk thier life to start a “revolution”
Food is quickly becoming out of reach of many Americans. The conditions are becoming ripe for revolution. It’s no surprise cop cities are popping up all over the country.
Food is quickly becoming out of reach of many Americans.
I’m not aware of any Americans worried their children will starve to death. Various housing and food assistance programs exist. Such apocalyptic language simply does not ring true.
Yes I love how America didn’t have a war of independence or a civil war. And it was all handled by paperwork. Ah what good times filing notiferizing it was crazy times
Would rioting actually make anything better?
Yes I love how America didn’t have a war of independence or a civil war.
Why would we have a war over the elected president…holding office? Dems need to do better and win the next election, not start a civil war.
Because for many people, political unrest is the problem they’re trying to avoid, and their problem with the new administration is that it is a catalyst for unrest.
Someone mad that our 45/7th President upsets the applecart isn’t going to go flip an applecart themselves in protest.
British and France tried to appease Hitler for peace sake too during ww2, and look where it got them. You shouldn’t sacrifice freedom and rights for peace
peace without justice isn’t peace. justice without peace isn’t justice.
appeasement doesn’t work because you attempt to trade justice for peace, but that just erodes your peace. the justice system claims to provide us justice, but violence is sown all throughout it, meaning it cannot give us justice as true justice is restoration from this system
I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying it’s happening.
A lot of people are pretty pissed at the dems for not doing enough too. They’re so obsessed with being a party for everyone that they’ve become a party for no one, theres a huge divide between what people want and what they’re doing. They need to unify, organize and take some stances even if it pisses some people off. I think a lot of people are just demoralized and “politically homeless” as in they just don’t identify with either party so what is the point? What would be cool is if a bunch of randoms ran third party on their own ideas and formed a coalition but good luck with that
You want the real answer?
Inertia.
Think about the scene in Fight Club where the homework is to go out and start a fight. It isn’t easy. Most people have never hit another person their entire lives. Men who punch walls or tear their shirts off to throw down with someone over perceived offenses are not the normal. That’s tail of the bell curve behavior. If it wasn’t, people would be fighting in parking lots everywhere you go.
The inertia of most peoples lives is to avoid conflict. This is why only a handful of people in any building you happen to be standing in are suited to leadership roles.
Now, if you can get one of those guys in the right conditions to stir up a mob hive mind then the game changes. Until then, most people will be propelled forward by inertia and conflict avoidance.
This is 100% correct.
Also don’t discount the economic system working as intended. If I get off the hamster wheel to “riot,” my family quickly looses basic necessities.
Once my best alternative to a negotiated resolution moves off that reality (meaning keep my head down and my family will get through this) more options become available. The system is designed to keep a critical majority on the wheel.
This is exactly the reason these Natalists are “pro-forced-birth”. Childless adults are a threat because they don’t have to think about their minor dependents before revolting. They want everyone tied down with families so we can’t even consider getting off the wheel.
Because liberals are cowards.
That’s the real answer.
I think another point is hope, even if people start large protests, riots, etc. What can it achieve, who will achieve it? Short of a full revolution, will anything have an effect?
Trump wont step down even if the country is alight, with republicans in power in senate they wont impeach or muzzle trump.
Any sort of protests needs ro have a goal, something you can imagine it will achieve. If you cant picture anything postive coming from it, why would you want to?
This is it for me. I just don’t see an outcome where politicians respond to protests in any way other than doubling down and arresting them.
You’ve asked two different questions.
- Why don’t the democratic voters actually riot
- First, riots are illegal. I think you mean protest.
- Protest what? He was just elected president. A bit more than the majority of the electorate made this choice so we all have to deal with it. It’s called democracy.
- He ran a relatively transparent campaign. So far, all he’s done is sign executive orders we all knew he was going to do. A majority of Americans voted for these actions.
- Why are the journalist bending over to Musk?
- Why aren’t they calling his nazi salute a nazi solute? Fear.
- I read an article saying Jon Stewart was the only one the mentioned Musk’s salute. I watched the segment and, while he did mention it, he did not call it a nazi salute. He tried to, in Jon’s funny way, make an excuse for what he was doing.
- I suspect there are legal reasons for not calling this a nazi salute. Likely defamation.
- There’s also people / organizations (like the ADL) who, for whatever reason, need to be kept in the good grace’s of these powerful people or who need to maintain their seat at one table or another.
First, riots are illegal.
Only if you lose. Get your man in power by any means necessary and he will pardon you.
Protest what? He was just elected president.
Trump losing in 2020 was the only reason needed for a riot.
Protest what?
Didn’t stop Republicans on Jan 6. The truth seems to be that one side is willing to do anything to gain power, and the other is unwilling to do anything to keep it.
Most telling move IMO is how they sidelined Tim Walz for being ‘too radical’.
All he was doing was talking facts and smack. Democrats can’t have that! It’s not decent!
I don’t think there’s any contradiction there, though. The Dems aren’t rioting because they accept legitimate outcomes, while the Republicans are only accepting favorable outcomes. No one is rioting right now because the Dems accept Trump’s win as legitimate and the Republicans accept it as favorable.
Every single part of this comment just screams “It just wouldn’t be proper!”
And I’m sorry, but I can’t seem to care about what’s “proper” when half my friends now have reasonable fear for their lives, not just “comfort of living” just because they are lgbtq+ living in deep red country.
No one said anything about proper.
I answered the questions posed. I didn’t add any other context or inject my feelings into it. If you want to have a discussion about the ramifications of this person being elected, that’s another conversation. I’d be happy to engage with that and I’m sure you and I would be in agreement.
He lost the majority vote so technically not a majority of voting Americans voted for him.
That’s a bit concerning that you have this fact mistaken.
Trump: 77,168,458 49.9%
Harris: 74,749,891 48.3%https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqnemxwvx/president/
Ah you’re right it was just a extremely close gap after all the tallying was done. Shows how bad memory can be.
Because the left never does anything. They’ll whine and say this is unfair not how it’s supposed to be, that’s illegal. And that is as far as it goes. The right does shit and here we are. Only going to get worse and anyone who says ohbits only 4 years sure maybe till the next one.
This is accurate. The people downvoting instead of explaining anything are exactly who they’re talking about. Get off your asses!
Nearly 78 million people voted for this, and another 90 million stayed home and said they didn’t care.
The whole point of democracy is to allow everyone to express their opinions through votes instead of violence. So either the election was rigged or the country wanted fascism.
Considering trump sort-of gave an admission of that and there were reports about the hacking of the voting system before, I wouldn’t say “rigged elections” is that far off from the truth
Evidence of significantly rigged elections would certainly be a cause for some significant action and demands for a new election.
But I’m not talking about one-off reports of someone using their dead mother’s info to cast an illegal second vote. Even a rogue election official tossing a couple dozen ballots doesn’t really move the needle. We would need to see evidence of millions, or even tens of millions, of votes being impacted for that.
And I can’t really say for sure whether that did or did not happen. But there’s not enough evidence to action.
Instead, I look around at my neighbors, even in a blue city, and see tons of Trump signs on lawns, stickers slapped on cars, people wearing hats and T-shirts. That’s not enough evidence for me to definitely say there was NOT fraud, or even to confirm that Trump’s win is legitimate. But it does affirm that there are real-life people who have fallen for the propaganda. These aren’t just Russian spies trolling on the Internet or bots running on Musk’s servers to artificially update posts. These are real people who have chosen hatred.
The rigging wasn’t done at the polls. (The Democratic and Independent poll watchers would’ve reported that, and I’m not seeing any of such reports)
The actual manipulation was the constant far-right propaganda made possible by the Citizens United ruling, which allows the rich to spend unlimited amount of money to spend on propaganda. That and voter rolls purges. These things have always happened to some degree throught the history of the US.
Cause they’re spineless
If you can’t even get people to care enough to lift a pen and mark a ballot (or press a button on some machine), how do you get people to riot?
