• iAvicenna@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Are we continuing on the series for Biden’s campaign ads?

    “You all thought he was supporting genocide but look he is slapping Israel’s wrist! There you go, now you can vote for him with a clear conscience”

    • 🔰Hurling⚜️Durling🔱@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      True, but at least he isn’t the orange orangutan that wants to kill democracy.

      It’s so fucking depressing when you have these two as the most likely candidates and the only third option is so unknown that most people won’t know who they are and even less vote for them.

      Hell, even the NYT doesn’t show de la Cruz in the running - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/us/politics/presidential-candidates-2024.html

    • Hoomod@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      Unfortunately the US elections often come down to voting for the person you dislike less.

      Do I like his stance on Israel? No

      But his opponent (Trump) stance/actions is worse

      So I will hold my nose and do my civic duty

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        Why do you think trump would be worse on israel? Hes the only president in 50-100 years not to start a war. He got us out of afghanistan. Hes not telling the israelis they have our full throated support. And even more importantly, I cant think of a single way for him personally to get rich off of the israeli genocide, so I can only assume he would have zero interest in prolonging it. Like, honestly, he seems like the least bad option weve had in a long time, because we know exactly how he will behave, and its certainly not as bad as all of the presidents who oversaw mass killings. He will be a buffoon, and he will probably attempt another coup. So what? You think the FBI cant contain a second coup, which they are now expecting? If thats the price we have to pay to get a president who doesnt openly support genocide, im more than willing to pay it.

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        7 months ago

        Basically.

        It felt awful voting for him the first time. Now? Lol. You have to keep perspective that this countrys official stance on Israel from the start has been unwavering support. I think even if we got Bernie in 16 he would have found it hard to do much with this one. Congress would still foot the bill no matter what he did or said. Israel has been a geopolitical oasis for US foreign policy, and say what you will about US foreign policy, but abandoning a long term ally weakens your soft powers exponentially.

        And on that note, abstaining from voting or voting for the nuclear cheetoh because US foreign policy is horrific is ensuring we do/enable far, far worse. And if youre counting on a revolution in the age of drones to occur after the public is fed up with trump and lgbtq folks are in cages, i got news for you: we have absolutely none of the systems in place to care for a populace after all the current systems at play would die in this supposed revolution.

        God. Its just frustrating. I get it, i hate US neoimperialism too, but did u miss the bit where the other big players have their populace more under their thumbs? Bc at least here u still have a functioning vote. If u dont throw it away, that is.

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        7 months ago

        Could just demand the immediate resignation of Bibi and his government as a prerequisite for a continued alliance, but that would require a spine.

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            7 months ago

            Yes. Alliances are mutual pacts, and can be broken by either party when the other becomes objectionable or unprofitable. Or just because.

            I personally consider “being a genocidal fascist abusing the alliance to cement his rule” a deal breaker that can only be resolved with the removal of the offending party from power.

            You don’t?

            • So your approach to weilding America’s strength and good will, in the name of human rights, is to abandon allies over 35,000 deaths, most of which are civilians? Okay that’s one approach. Not sure how our other allies will feel about it, whether they might stop working with if we try to dictate how they decide to prosecute a war on their border.

              What are you going to say to any emerging powers that are considering whether they want to be part of the western world or if they want to hitch their wagons to Chinese or Russian power? How will you live with yourself when you realize your emotions over 35,000 deaths caused you to end the very alliance that stops tens of millions from dying in an Iranian war and the cascade of failed states that would follow?

              “Being a genocidal fascist”? Who specifically are you even talking about? Israel is a democracy. They don’t have just one person in charge. Are you talking about Netanyahu? You’re going to blow up an alliance and risk tens of millions of lives because you don’t like one politician, whose entire party seems likely to be defeated at the ballot box? How about giving it one election before we try severe sanctions and whatever else you are suggesting America should do to overthrow a leader and party that was democratically elected because it won’t do what we want?

              Seems incredibly ignorant and short sighted, something a kid might suggest.

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                Yes, we absolutely should “abandon” genocidal fascists - who demand billions of dollars in military aid to make everyone in the Middle East our enemies.

                That’s called “Not being evil people that deserve bullets to the face.”

                But, hey, it’s a free country, it’s your right to be on the side of fascism while patting yourself on the back for the mental maturity of defending the status quo at all costs.

                One might even note there’s a whole political party for your kind!

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        7 months ago

        Yep, they’re already struggling as it is. If they had to fight house to house with just rifles they’d stand no chance.

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    7 months ago

    Wow he said a slightly negative sentence about the terrorists he promised to limitlessly fund that genocides brown people. If anybody was wondering why he’s unpopular it’s this shit.

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    7 months ago

    I think it was the great philosopher Eric Cartman who said it best

    “You people who are for the war, you need the protesters. Because they make the country look like it’s made of sane, caring individuals. And you people who are anti-war, you need these flag-wavers, because, if our whole country was made up of nothing but soft pussy protesters, we’d get taken down in a second. That’s why the founding fathers decided we should have both. It’s called “having your cake and eating it too.”

    Don’t get me wrong, I am definitely a soft pussy protestor, but Biden is clearly having his cake and eating it too.

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    7 months ago

    Remember that we Iranians will soon force murrikunt out of middle east and whatever unfortunate president is there will be the clown of history. It just takes one more idiot like Trump to make a ‘mistake’ like killing Soleimani for Iran to gather enough support to storm American bases with the ballistic missles it sends satellites to space with. All the filthy American soldiers will be reduced to dust.

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      7 months ago

      Well you are fun… And naïeve… And delusional… Ever considered getting professional help? Spouting rhetoric and slogans like you do really is out there.

      I’m not even going to try to give any reasoned response to this, you’re just… Dumb.

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        7 months ago

        Just click the video it’s like 30 seconds. Biden paused for quite a while before making such a massive mistake.

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        7 months ago

        Yes, he has a stutter and typically does a very good job of working through it.

        He didn’t stutter, go watch the linked video and stop shamelessly carrying water for him.

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    7 months ago

    Stop talking and pull the aid. Nothing Biden says on the subject matters while he’s still sending them aid.

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      7 months ago

      Also, he should reinstate funding for UNRWA and stop aiding the IDF effort to starve everyone in Gaza (*also applicable here in Canada and several other countries). Even if the Israeli allegation that UNRWA staffers are all Hamas-affiliated was true, we’re talking about fucking food, medication, and survival essentials for 95% of the world’s most starved people (up from 80% as of recently).

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      7 months ago

      I’ve called people the wrong name many times, my memories still fine, I think? Where am I? I’ve looked at someone else when talking to a colleague and called them by the name of the person I was looking at instead of who I was talking too.

      I wouldn’t call that a huge issue, embarrassing sure, but not exactly a sign of bad memory.

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    7 months ago

    Biden is SO CRITICAL of Israel that he’s ready to send them BILLIONS more dollars without Congressional Approval! THAT will teach Israel to STOP!

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      Yeha, he’s just making sure he wins the next elections. He knows this is one of the reasons why people won’t vote for him. The fact he is keeping it this tame just shows he really doesn’t want to affect his relations with Israel. So, after he wins, everything will stay the same way.

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        7 months ago

        I’m guessing you’re his biographer? Maybe his therapist? Are you him?

        Gotta be kidding me of the three to know so much about what his intentions are.

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          Not really. The war in Gaza is unpopular among the population, but there is pressure for him to send aid to Israel. There are not many ways to slime that one out and have a chance to win the upcoming election. Speak loudly what the masses want to hear, do what he needs to appease the more powerful people who can screw him over.

          He’s a politician after all, his priority is to maintain power at home, not to stop the war in Gaza.

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            He’s an American president: Gaza is not, not should be- his priority. America is not the world police. And the sooner people realize this/ the better we’ll all be from it.

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              Exactly, so he should quit sending kajillions of dollars to help them kill children and covering their ass in the UN security council every time they start slaughtering Palestinians again.

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                So… since there a clear sign of bias and manufactured outrage in your words- I’m going to end this discussion here.

                You have no idea what you’re talking about, and I don’t waste my time debating with kids who pick their flavor-of-the-week social issue from internet threads.

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                  Bro, just shut the fuck up please. You’re not providing any argument or evidence. There’s evidence of Biden sending billions of dollars to Israel for the Hamas war.

                  Just shut your mouth.

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      Technically he sold them weapons previously, not given them billions, although in the voted down bipartisan border bill the concession of billions given are for Israel AND Palestine humanitarian aid.

      He’s still a piece of shit, but nuance matters imo.

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            7 months ago

            What planet are you on that you’ve never heard of the Canadian extermination of indigenous peoples?

            • I have heard of it. Have I heard anyone call it genocide though? I don’t think I have. Other than, now this is the second person, whom I consider to be edgelords on the internet until proven otherwise.

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                You’re willfully being ignorant, then. “Canadian indigenous genocide” is the third result down on the autocomplete list on google after typing in “Canadian Indig”, and if you click that result you get a ton of sources including a bunch of news articles talking about the genocide using the word genocide, the website for the Canadian human rights museum which calls it a genocide, and even a scientific paper on the trauma effects caused by it.

                It was a genocide.

                • Canada’s policies aimed at assimilating Indigenous people included outlawing languages, cultural practices and political traditions and forcibly removing children from families. These were deliberate attempts to erase a distinct group of people by destroying the essential foundations of their way of life.

                  I read enough studying law and before that criminal justice with a history minor to know that this quote is completely true and not really that strong of a case by an international law standard. I get their argument though and have a lot of sympathy for the indigenous people throughout North America and the arctic.