Pfffft if none of them exist then how did the Rat play a flute while standing on the head of the Ox to impress the Jade Emperor and become the first zodiac sign?
Checkmate, atheist.
Considering how the universe is full of stuff circling around stuff circling around stuff circling around… the zodiac signs have moved over the last couple of millenias.
Not that I believe in astrology, but just because the constellations moved doesn’t mean that humans weren’t able to track them. They still form a ring around Earth and the precession of the Zodiacs still occurs.
The fact humans are able to track them is how we know the zodiacs are no longer accurate. According to astrology if you were born on Dec. 1 for example, you’re considered a Sagittarius… except you’re ACTUALLY a Scorpio, due to the constellations shifting.
I believe the point is not that the zodiacs don’t occur at all, it’s that the time you are born is no longer the same time the original zodiac occured.
Yup, position of zodiac constellations has changed, thanks to axial precession
That’s like saying Huckleberry Finn doesn’t exist. Just because it’s made-up doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It exists as a concept which billions of people understand.
You are technically correct (the best kind of correct), but the meme is funny anyway.
Counterpoint: how can Huckleberry Finn exist if our eyes aren’t real?
Nothing is real! I’m the only sentient entity in the universe. Now stop arguing with me, me.
Where we’re going we won’t need eyes to see.
I think it is pretty clear in the context of the joke that they weren’t saying the concept doesn’t exist they were saying the attributes of the concept doesn’t exist.
The Sun’s position on the ecliptic at the vernal equinox is not a “concept”, it’s a physical reality, recognised by the International Astronomical Union.
Disagree on the semantics. Physical realities are concepts as well. “Energy”, despite being an extremely useful physical measurement, is an abstract concept. “Physical realities” and “concepts” are not mutually exclusive nor antonymous words.
In this case, the Aries/vernal point is a concept used to define coordinate systems using physical measures from Earth.
And the astrology signs exist as a concept as recognized by thousands of years of human history dating back to Babylonia 2 BCE. Yes we understand that they’re likely completely bogus, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
This thread is so dumb. The signs are as real as anything else in the sky.
Turns out you can make up any arbitrary distinctions and they just start existing. The question is if they severe any useful purpose.
I can make zodiac 2.0 exist by adding shoe size to distinguish between regular aquarius and aquarius without platypus (above EU 42 is with). So now the Zodiac 2.0 exists with the same predictive power as 1.0.
What do you predict for regular Aries this week?
Exercise diligence when putting your shoes on, pay special attention to the laces or you will suffer great sorrow.
zodiac 2.0
Already kind of a thing, since the constellations the zodiacs were based on have moved since they were “decided”, and no longer match what people continue to use:
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/31/1222132825/checking-your-2024-horoscope-astronomy-explains-why-your-sign-might-have-changedDon’t worry we already have Zodiac 2.0
And Zodiac 3.0
This one is like a D&D game.
Except no where near as fun
I’m disappointed none of these are Github links
You’re missing out on some wild pussy.
Ancient star magic that picks up babes is real and look how boys treat it
That’s Capricorn is it? https://piped.video/watch?v=WIjBO26qjYM (Life of Brian - 3 wise men)
That made me spit out my coffee🤣
This is dumb. Dinosaurs looks are so diverse. He should have chosen a specific one.
At least narrow it down to clade, like just Theropods or something.
I would argue that the zodiac is the proto-science of psychology.
This is people trying to find behavioral patterns
Fuck those people who wanna categorize me so they can ignore who I actually am and just put a handle on me.
They want to understand you
No they don’t. They want to put me in a neat little box for easy handling.
Then they should talk to me, rather than rely on generalizations that were created a couple of thousand years ago and revived by new age mystics.
Faulty pattern recognition isn’t something we should be holding on to.
It is the alchemy to the chemistry is what they are saying
So not at all based in science? Interesting as a historical curiosity but nothing more?
Interesting because of the psychological insights into not how all people are, but how people make up theories in general. Same way religion has scientific significance in an anthropological sense.
And how many people are still using Alchemy?
“I turned 5 pounds of lead into gold this morning using this one weird trick that chemists HATE! Subscribe to my premium substack to learn more!”
They told us the history of alchemy in chemistry class, it’s good to know the context.
Yes, but no one credible still uses it. Which was the point I was making.
The problem is that we still don’t have a proper pattern recognition. We could discard all the soft sciences such as Economics, Sociology or Psychology.
What hard sciences could replace economics and sociology? They’re not very rigorous, but they seem to be useful. Psychology also takes some load off psychiatrists
Astrology is also useful.
I just did a quick search and the difference between seeing astrology talk about fate vs personality is at least 1200 years apart.
Economic Science is also about fate
Cough… science…cough
The people that get the angriest about astrology understand it the least. They think that you’re supposed to tell who you are by looking at one thing, and that couldn’t be farther from the truth.
In reality, it’s a very complex equation with multiple variables that change over time. People don’t understand that your chart reflects many different signs, and where the signs exist on your chart at certain times can describe aspects of your personality.
Having Aries as your sun sign means something different than having Aries as your moon sign. But they still contribute to a larger picture. And then on top of that, depending on if you live out of more negative or positive aspects of your personality can bring out different traits that might not have much to do with your sign at all.
That’s hilarious 😂😂😂 Thank you!
Oh. I want steal this.
cue the meme acquisition notice here
Np, OP also stole it
You don’t have to steel it. It’s a virtual picture. You can download it and share it with everyone, as often as you like, whenever you want. There’s no cost attached in sharing data other than hardware and energy
Enjoy this FREE* meme
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I like your username. Do you mind sharing where it comes from?
Just rolls off the tongue. Like “cellar door”.
That’s true. It sounds like a children’s book character who’s a woodland creature detective
Thank you for this explanation.
Shit. Then who I have been mailing my money to?
Yep, OP stole this meme.
Yep, OP
stoledistributed this meme.You wouldn’t download a meme.
But…you mean…my nfts?
Those are copy protected by nobody wanting them.
this fucking line
Primal Zodiac (Which combines Western Zodiac with Eastern Animal Years) doesnt have the Dinosaur… but it DOES have the Unicorn
Ophiuchus
Bless you
Zodiac signs are literally constellations… Which are quite real.
Astrology is also real, in the fact that it’s a uselessly real thing. Women love it though. Same with tarot. All you do is make plausible sounding shit up and then they placebo themselves into happiness or nocebo into a sour mood.
That’s not what is meant by real here, dinosaurs are also a real thing
The actual signs exist (get yourself a planisphere or a stargazing app, find some dark skies, and discover them for yourself!), it’s just all the magic personality nonsense associated with them is bullshit.
The signs don’t exist. It’s just a random collection of stars.
Stars don’t exist, it’s just a random collection of hydrogen.
This reminds me of that vsauce video where he says that trogs exist and they’re composed of a tree and whichever dog happens to be closest to it
It makes me feel really dumb when I watch this stuff. The entire time I try to be open minded. I’m left being impressed with the individuals ability to research and articulate an obviously very thoroughly studied topic. They are obviously intelligent, I guess more so than I can relate, because all I am left with from the content is how pointless of a topic it is. No kidding words that we created are a method of communicating within the environment we exist. It’s like the stupid boat example, most generally when referring to the boat people are referring to the one registered, just as he said in the video. The others made from the scraps are boats made from the removed components of that registered vessel. None of this stuff seems complicated to me. He and others even seem aware of the pointless ridiculousness of it when he discusses the eyelash in the fridge example. So I’m left feeling that I’m obviously too stupid to understand the value, or objective, in such a pointless pursuit where everyone already recognizes conditions to words apply to communication while somehow finding value in beating the horse to death and picking it to death, for what I imagine is some goal I just can’t understand.
It’s one thing to say that constellations of stars don’t exist. It’s another thing to say that the constellation “Leo” doesn’t exist because it isn’t a lion and our perception of the spatial relationship of those stars has nothing to do with lions, or with mystical astrological significance.
Those stars are present in space in a certain way. And we can perceive them in our sky in a certain way. But whether those stars are “connected” in any meaningful way, or whether they contain any inherent Lion relevance is purely a creation of human imagination derived from real observable objective phenomena. We could just as easily have said that Leo was Orion, and Orion was Leo, and have been equally correct. It’s subjective. Which doesn’t mean it’s meaningless for us, otherwise art would be meaningless. But it does mean that it isn’t “real” in the same way that gravity or the sun are real. Anything whose continued existence is conditioned on belief isn’t “real” in an objective sense.
Belief can certainly will unreal things into meaningful reality though. But, absent that belief, those things will not exist.
Really this is a discussion centered around the inadequacy of the English word “real.” Perhaps other languages have specific words that would more clearly demonstrate this distinction. Because clearly gravity and Pisces are not both “real” in the same way. The former is objectively real and the latter is subjectively real. And we’re talking past each other by not simply having seperate words that distinguish between those concepts
That’s like saying people don’t exist and they’re just random collections of particles.
No it’s like saying a person-shaped cloud doesn’t exist.
To describe it as person-shaped is subjective and another viewer may describe the same cloud as butterfly-shaped. Because it’s a subjective interpretation of a static objective object. Like abstract art.
People/animals exist and are “real” in that all of us have agency and a sense of self that is not conditionally dependent on the identical perception of others.
A person-shaped cloud is only “person-shaped” if viewers claim it is. An arrangement of viewable disparate stars is only “Orion” because the Greeks, and now us, decided it was. But I am me and you are you regardless of what anyone else thinks, and always will be.
We aren’t a collection of particles, we are more than the sum of our parts. We have agency and a mind and self-identity. A cloud or a star constellation has none of those things. They are inanimate unfeeling objects that only gain meaning, (astrological, imaginative, or otherwise) when humans/sentient beings ascribe that meaning to them. Human beings, and all living things, have inherent meaning because of their sentience and inherent uniqueness. Which is why genocide is a greater loss than the destruction of a rock - it’s the permanent death of unique living beings.
