I feel like back in the day trolling was more of an art where you’d say something stupid to expose someone’s cognitive dissonance.
Now it just refers to people being dicks. Trolling itself has become enshittified.
the best trolls rarely spoke. one of the great troll artists of kongregate forums had only 50 comments yet left a lasting legacy
In my days trolling used to mean something
I think the default comment, even here, is “I disagree”.
Folk have mistaken contraryism for discourse and argument for engagement.
I disagree!
No you don’t.
Gottem
😔
I disagree!
Agreed. There are plenty of negative replies, but I sometimes feel the positive replies – like giving thanks – could be something more people could do.
You’re doing it wrong.
Don’t tell me what to do you… You jerkface! Yeah! How do you like that!?
I know that was devastating. You’re devastated right now. Sorry.
That was perfect!
hell yeah! i’ve been trying to embrace that IRL too, telling people when i’m enjoying my time with them, telling them when they have a great outfit, appreciating my friends, expressing gratitude for their friendship, even, though this is the hardest one, admitting when i’m wrong outloud
Ackshully that’s called cyber bullying now
Even back then, the largest a forum became the less likely it was for trolls to starve in it. What we’re seeing is just the continuation of that.
This is a good point.
I think “old internet” culture was unsustainable as it scaled up, even without algos fanning the flames.
I’m so happy I was introduced to the 'net in the 90’s - when the mantra was “don’t believe everything you read on the internet.”
It’s too bad that fell out of vogue.
I think that’s still in vogue, just that a lot of people get it wrong which parts to belive/don’t belive 😅
No way its in vogue anymore, you clearly didnt experience the 90s
Whoosh
Maybe we’ve just changed what “the internet” is. Surely FaceHuggerBook is not the internet, that’s just a bunch of friends and family. I don’t trust the real internet
Really nobody in the thread is going to talk about Kremlin disinformation campaigns? That’s absolutely part of it.
Most people think the propaganda has some content they want you to believe, but in reality the propaganda has to just keep us arguing and fighting all day instead of using the magic of the internet for cooperation and personal growth by learning about all kinds of stuff and liberating our minds.
Exactly, digital divide and conquer
I’m not sure if you can call them trolls if they’ve sincerely lost their grip on reality, and are a significant voting block.
Its not my fault everyone supports genocide.
It’s because rich powerful people have realised that if you feed the trolls you can get them to do things.
Everyone acting like this is a problem with algorithms or whatever. Nah, algorithms have nothing to do with it. Humans are just this stupid and will follow their desire to be “right” even if it leads them off a cliff. I mean, Lemmy loves feeding trolls. No one on Lemmy seems to understand the concept of “block and move on” (not that I’m totally guilt-free, I love feeding trolls for the same reason I love feeding campfires).
No one on Lemmy will just ignore the trolls. Quite honestly, I’m wondering if the Internet should adopt a new strategy: mock the troll-feeders. If you catch someone engaging with a troll, you start making fun of them for feeding it. Make it clear that’s why you’re mocking them. Then maybe they’ll grow a brain and stop feeding them (except intentionally, because that’s honestly kinda fun sometimes).
The trolls have organized, industrialized, and multiplied like cockroaches. They have also changed from a few phbb forum assholes posting to stir shit and bait people to agenda-driven agents of propaganda. They no longer subsist on lols from making people mad, they get paid money or tribal power.
Also, F the victim blaming that, what…? People should sit back and let the trolls have it all? The fault isn’t with the individuals replying, it’s with the service provider that willingly accepts and pushes such activity for profit and engagement.
The block button is amazing.
The reason it was the mantra back then was because there was always at least a few new people and people who were just kind of dull that simply didn’t get it and needed such a thing constantly repeated
Oh come on, don’t feed this troll…
Lol yeah that’s what I was thinking. This is one of those posts where op thinks no one will notice they are trying to prove a point.
I kinda get it, but I also understand why it happens. People are outraged by how the world is being fucked up and they speak out. It’s resistance to Idiocracy. They may be feeding trolls but saying nothing is ignorant compliance. So claiming it’s their fault feels like victim blaming. Also, the amount of neuro diverse people is also growing. They, we, often don’t understand sarcasm and trolling and take too much seriously. And are triggered by things meant to be a joke.
It’s funny how I reply seriously on this post. It’s like I’m inviting trolls to take me hard. I say: bring it! I brought lube.
Yes, that’s why social media should I.) allow downvoting, ii.) use an algorithm that reduces the prominence of downvoted posts and iii.) actively remove bot accounts that attempt to game the voting system. Most social media do none of these things, and in fact push controversial takes.
There was a study done (can’t find it anymore) that said to respond once to clarify and then walk away.
I wish I would be able to do that, but that goes entirely against my autism.
It is definitely victim blaming. Op thinks no one will notice what they are doing.
