Not a Chinese Military company. At least at this moment. If and when Xi decides that they want to use information gathered from Tencent for military purposes, they will. Nobody can or will stop him.
Isn’t every chinese company part of CCP
“all right Tencent, make a game where you play as Tank man defending the innocent at Tiannanmen Square please”
Yes.
Lol sue the us?
Money vs money, go for it
Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.
almost as if it’s never been about security but about sinophobia
Lol
I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
I respect the American people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship of corporate overlords that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
Sure, fair stance, but also pure whataboutism.
I was kinda making a similar argument because of “if they were smart”. They are smart. Americans are smart too. But being smart doesn’t trivialize the very complicated problems with overthrowing a dictatorship/oligarchy, because neither government is currently democratic in practice — so voting will not work.
“Whataboutism” is a term used to feel righteous while completely ignoring your bias.
Admitting both contries are bad and then taking a clear stance between them is hypocritical at best.
“Whataboutism” is when you dismiss any bad of any one thing because there are other examples of bad things. In fact, you trying to deflect your bias as my bias is actually also whataboutism.
If you don’t have any logical excuse for the bad thing, then you should stop standing up for the bad thing.
Sure, but here it’s pretty much about the trade war between the two.
Neither side is just, and so seeing it as “China bad” is not a neutral outlook.
In the US-centric environment, standing up for neutrality is easy to confuse with standing up for China.
I wouldnt want to take a neutral stance here, if the USA is a 53 then China is a 87 on the badometer.
How do we stop the oligarchy ruling the USA without them ruining your life for going first?
Vote in 60 dem senators and they’ll overturn Citizens United, limiting political donations, and they’ll tax the rich.
Not really.
Dems are primarily sponsored by the rich and have to align with their interests. Out of two major US political parties, neither one is the party of the people.
HR 1 For The People Act - written by dems, passed by dems twice, blocked by Republicans.
Before that the dems wrote the campaign finance laws in 1995 and 2002 which were the core of the Citizens United Lawsuit in 2007 where SCOTUS voted with a partisan split to allow any sized contribution, even Hillary Clinton was a supporter of undoing Citizens United.
Even if the DNC isn’t your ideal peoples party, they are the party who can give you the option. Vote Dem.
They own and rule the dictatorship. It’s a dictatorship of the proletariat, wherein anyone can become a party member and participate. The US has a dictatorship of capital. How’s that working out again having a dozen billionaires writing your laws and controlling the entire executive branch?
You’re a crazy cunt, go somewhere else with your Chinese dictator dick sucking.
No it’s a dictatorship by a small group that the rest of them are not in. It’s a dictatorship that demands the common people surrender all beliefs not sanctioned by the state, that demolishes holy sites, a dictatorship that forces minorities into labor camps. It’s a dictatorship that commits hostile takeovers of neighboring nations and allies itself with multiple other dictatorships.
So you have no idea how chinas government works and can’t even spend five minutes on wikipedia?
At 1/3rd the population as active members, the government is not a small group. It is actually insane (meant in the most ableist way) to suggest that.
China has more mosques and churches than any other country so no. Holy sites are also rarely demolished, I’m assuming you’re talking about some of the tibetan pedo temples or something.
“Labor camps” you’re thinking of, the one you saw cropped pictures of, was a rehab facility, the pics were from Google maps. You can visit Xinjiang, unguided, and go explore for these labor camps if you like. Many have tried, none have found them.
As far as diplomacy… Yes. China operates on the principle of peace. Not constant war.
China operates on the principle of peace. Not constant war.
ROFL!
So peaceful.
Fewer disputes over it’s lifetime than the US in the last four years. Congrats, thanks for proving my point.
I never brought up the US. You’re using them as a deflection from the topic at hand.
All I did was refute your claim that “China operates on the principle of peace. Not constant war.” That claim is easily debunked. Why spread lies?
Holy sites are also rarely demolished, I’m assuming you’re talking about some of the tibetan pedo temples or something.
WTF are you on about?
Which part of that was confusing, or did you just want to break rule 3 for no reason?
WTF are you on about?
This dude just straight up snorts the Kool-Aid powder.
Because I don’t but us propaganda? Are you okay little buddy?
tibetan pedo temples
dafuq did I just read
Have you never learned literally anything about Tibet? Check out the wikipedia sections for pre 1950s Tibet, or simply Google Tibet given the news stories about the dalai lama tonguing a kid on tv.
China actually vetoed a UN Ceasefire resolution in Gaza in March, so much for peace.
Not to mention Chinese close friends and allies North Korea is constantly firing missiles into the ocean as a method of stick-waving at demilitarized Japan.
Honestly weird that you think Uighur Muslims all need to go to rehab and work long unpaid hours until they die. Not how a normal human with empathy things, generally.
The ceasefire resolution that didn’t free hostages held in Israel, enabled the IDF to indefinitely hold Gaza, and removed all self determination from gazans?
Yes, even the Arab nations did not want that resolution, China, during the same sessions, called for an unconditional ceasefire.
Lying about situations makes everything you have to say suspect.
To your second point, you admit the US is committing genocide in Gaza. Right? We’re blaming countries for things their military allies do now, so the US is genocidal, according to you.
To your third point less than 5% of the uighur population has ever been arrested, xinjiangs city council is mostly uighur Muslims, and no american gets to tell ant other country how to handle prisoners, given us prisons are worse than pretty much anywhere according to the UN, and the us arrests more minorities as a percentage of each minority population than China is claimed to have, much less the reality.
I’m sure those gazans are really enjoying all the extra freedoms they’ve had in the last 9 months. /sarcasm
I agree with the US DoD. The large Chinese corporations are owned by CCP members and former PLA officers. Contain them until the PRC implodes.
So all veteran owned businesses in the US are extensions of the US military?
Like thats not a bad idea from an international perspective, there are plenty of folks who maintain connections and may or may not be at minimum an annoyance. Though I also feel like American culture is mercantile and independent enough that such risks are generally minimized, except from so called Christian companies those sons of bitches always have a secondary goal beyond profits.
Not to mention I’m pretty sure all of their Chinese office buildings are literally in Military owned and operated land.
It would be like Google HQ being in the middle of a US military base.
Given the way things are going, the US will implode long before China does.
If the US goes China goes, the trade links are comparable to the late bronze age which ended when the trade links collapsed.
Given the insane tariffs on Chinese goods and the fact that china is still thriving begs to differ.
Every fucking Chinese company is required to be an arm of their government and provide them with any information they request. It’s not even a question, they are an arm of the Chinese government. They can get fucked
Same goes for US companies.
Have we learned nothing from Snowden?
Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).
China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
There are several hundred political parties in China currently in office.
Cool. See number 1 on the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
Cool, read how the Chinese government works. There are hundreds of parties within the cpc.
It’s a one party state in the sense you have to agree China needs to progress in order to hold office. Just like traitors can’t hold office in the US.
Did you even read the link? Educate yourself.
I’m very familiar with that bit of misunderstanding you people tend to have, I’m trying to actually educate you on reality, instead of the opinions of the CIA.
Trusting the US government as a blahaj user seems dumb to me, but hey.
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Snowden released the fact that the major internet companies in the US literally have full time CIA staff and locked rooms with servers
Why is this on a different level? Is it because they’re ASIANS?
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
In the PRC it’s only illegal to talk about it.
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
Did it stop?
Did you ignore the part where it’s not illegal to talk about?
Yeah, the US is fucked, and there are some decent comparisons to China… But government control and oversight of business isn’t one of them.
In fact, it’s something that’s severely lacking in the US. We have the complete opposite problem.
The specific program Snowden revealed supposedly ended in 2015, it collected information such as who was calling who and for how long. The 9th Circuit actually ruled it clearly illegal in 2020 and Snowden made a Tweet about it in a relatively good mood.
This is the best news I’ve heard all day! Thanks.
The long and short of it is even leftie Americans have internalised American exceptionalism, even if they aren’t cognisant of it. And the right are, well… Racist and don’t want to admit it.
There’s no left in the USA, only liberals.
One government is actively committing genocide against subsets of their population I’d say it’s a pretty big fucking difference.
Yeah the US genocide of black Americans needs the earn them some serious sanctions, but it’s not relevant to this discussion.
Uht oh. Brace yourself for leftists. Prepare to be deemed genocide supporter nazi extraordinaire.
China is a one-party state I wish you could realise how hilarious it is to read someone comparing the US and China on their number of political parties…
Oh? So you are saying that there are no functional difference between a federation of 50 states, each with individual (somewhat independent) local and state governments, and the authoritarian CCP?
When I say “China is a one-party state,” I’m not referring to political parties as we would understand them in the US (Democrat/Republican). I am referring to the actual structure of the government.
You might want to maybe educate yourself on what a “one-party state” means in this context before trying to make snarky comments.
You’re right, I’m sorry, I really should educate myself about the US beyond the 40+ years of propaganda I’ve had to endure and the absolutely constant, never ending stream of shit across all media I’m the grateful recipient of, thanks to the Internet™. But honestly, I’m kinda scared I’d actually die if I came to visit.
Meanwhile, my experience with China over the last ten years or so has left me regularly wondering, in the grand scheme of things, what the fucking difference is. You both are absolutely insane, from where I live.
But yes, I was totally cherry picking your message. I don’t disagree with you, to be clear. I’m just amused about your choice of epithet.
No worries… apologies if I was snippy.
And yeah, the US and China are both insane… Unfortunately for me, as an American, China seems to be the more stable one these days (and it’s only going to get worse starting 1/20).
What’s so hilarious about it?
I’m being slightly disingenuous by focusing on one expression in the entire message, granted.
But honestly, using “one party state” as an epiteth, like that’s what you want to focus on that’s badwrong about China? that’s amusing to me, reading this from Europe. YMMV.
Both countries are acting in their own interests. Simple as that.
Imagine if that meant in the people’s best interest.
It’d be nice, wouldn’t it.
Yeah, if only in either of those two countries people were seeing measurable improvements in their lives, approved of their government, and had hope for the future…
China probably have more hope for the future than US right now.
Lol they cry like tankies when defederation talks begin.
The DoD will pay its fines 500#s at a time.
Oh my, the US military might have to change the name of the list to, “Foreign companies we’re blacklisting for classified reasons”. How terrible.
Cool, can we make the divest from American game studios now?
Come at me bro
Discovery process, you say?
Which documents, you say?
What happened?
Shredded, you say?
How badly?
To bits, you say? Oh my my…
Thus proving that Tencent is either stupid or is insulting our intelligence.
Keep it a note that having them listed as a Chinese military company could let US put pressure against open source groups to not collaborate with them; very similar to how US forced Linux Foundation to kick off decade old russian collaborators.
Cry more and maybe the west will care (we won’t, but still… try)
do you really think I give a shit about tencent? I just wanted to point out that this could have negative consequences for open source projects. Projects sponsored by them could lose a funding source, or any help work done by them could cease because of this.
do you really think I give a shit about tencent?
Yes, but I don’t understand why.
I just wanted to point out that this could have negative consequences for open source projects.
Something tells me the private billion dollar tech conglomerate doesn’t host a lot of “open source” projects.
Projects sponsored by them could lose a funding source, or any help work done by them could cease because of this.
That’s true, what sort of wholesome projects would lose funding? I would love to see that they sponsor the world’s largest food bank or help casualties of war get adequate medical treatment or fit for prosthetics (there isn’t a lot of money to be made in philanthropy in case you weren’t aware, i have 0 faith in tencent being benevolent in any way).
That’s a bad mischaracterization. You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily . Torvald spoke in support of it. I’m sure many governments and groups using the Linux kernel and open source want Developers that are vetted. Or can be reasonably sure won’t be forced to act maliciously under duress.
You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily
Instantly disregarded. Completely boneheaded thing to say.
Spoken like an willful adherent of a failed ideology.
Are they an adherant if they’re paid? What about if it’s an LLM?
Yeah, that’s right. I willfully pay rent and I willfully adhere to capitalism. No force used anywhere.
Sorry you said something stupid and got mad when someone pointed it out :(
Damn your projection is off the charts. But I mean it’s what we’ve come to expect from leninists. The childish Behavior I mean.
Had I actually said anything stupid. Then you should have been easily able to refute it. Yet you can’t. You can’t even actually acknowledge or reply to anything that I said. Instead choosing to Make up things or imagine things that were never Said.
BTW I’m an anarchist. I have no love for rent seeking leaches. Just as I don’t for capitalist/leninist hypocrites.
For an anarchist you sure seem like you read a lot more Salon.com than Bookcin
Or can you even read at all? The first line of my last comment was only 17 words but it apparently overtaxed your attention span. You spent your entire comment here pretending it didn’t exist.
It is not a mischaracterization though. Open source projects can be forced to stop accepting contributions from employees of sanctioned companies, which would include Tencent employees if sanctioned. Anyways, Tencent is not being sanctioned here, so I guess it doesn’t really matter.
Also, Linus was definitely forced to kick the Russian maintainers out by USA sanctions.
Force implies force. If you have evidence that it was actually done by force. Against Torvald’s etc will. Please share it. Otherwise get out of here with your gasslighting.
Any project open source or otherwise can and does restrict contribution.
Saying that I’m gaslighting without even bothering to check the facts is a very interesting approach. USA sanctions on Russia regarding software and IT services went into effect on September, and all parties had 90 days to comply or be sanctioned as well. If he really did it only because he wanted to, why not do it as soon as the Russian invasion started? Why not do it as soon as the sanctions were announced (June)? Not kicking all employees from sanctioned companies means the Linux Foundation is sanctioned as well.
Okay, and? Torvald and many others aren’t American, not subject to it, and publicly stated that they weren’t forced to do it.
You’re claiming, hyperbolically might I add, that you know whats going on with Torvald and the foundation better than those people themselves. And still showing no actual proof or causation. How can anyone conclude anything other than you are gaslighting and being misleading? It’s Mega level bullshit conspiracy theories.
Torvald and many others aren’t American, not subject to it, and publicly stated that they weren’t forced to do it.
This is my last response to you because you just keep saying things that are false while calling me the liar. Linus is an American citizen, and even if he wasn’t, the Linux Foundation is an American organisation.
You’re claiming, hyperbolically might I add, that you know whats going on with Torvald and the foundation better than those people themselves. And still showing no actual proof or causation. How can anyone conclude anything other than you are gaslighting and being misleading? It’s Mega level bullshit conspiracy theories.
Literally linked the USA sanctions that apply to this case, but ok.
This is my last response to you
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Link whatever you want. But prove your point. You keep saying correlation equals causation. But they’re two different words with two different meanings. Correlation does not imply causation.
I absolutely believe the timing of this was influenced by those sanctions 100%. I also believe it was influenced by both China and Russia attacking International infrastructure. Things like the other side of the table being cut , or the ZX back door orchestrated by China last year.
I believe all these things factor into why Linus and the foundation CHOSE to expel those contributors. Because they are vulnerable to those authoritarian States. And are thus a vector to attack the projects. Which they did not have staff or funds to audit and ensure they weren’t.
You keep implying that this was not a choice that Torvalds and the foundation did it against their will. Despite Torvalds posting the opposite. You can keep linking to the sanctions all you want. And while I think the sanctions played a part in this. I still think Torvalds and the foundation chose to do it on their own. And were not under duress to comply. Unlike your average Russian or Chinese citizen. Not that the West is Worlds better.
