Hello,

Do you have any example, with a link to the modlog? Your fruit example seems strange.

2 days ago mod Removed Post What are the best sweet vegetables and savory fruits?
reason: rule 3 and 5

I imagine the moderator feels that you are flooding the community with nonsense as described in the rule about spam. It’s likely that moderators in communities with fewer posts and fewer voters take a more active role in removing content they feel is low-quality, while post volume and voting would hide such content from most users in a higher-volume community.

I am on Lemmy because on Reddit, a subreddit moderator went through my post history, saw me complaining about them taking down a post for no reason, and decided that was brigading. They proceeded to have my account banned from Reddit entirely for ban evasion, something I did not do. Whatever Lemmy moderators are or are not removing, I am certain they are more reasonable and judicious than any Reddit moderator.

My first point is that Lemmy/Kbin is a community run community. The moderators are volunteers, and so are the admins. Please keep that in mind. We have families, jobs, and other commitments. Moderating is something we do to contribute to that community, not something we are paid to do or have to do. It’s not a power trip, it’s a gift of unpaid labor.

My second point is that many posts/comments are clearly follow the rules, or clearly break the rules. But some sit in a grey zone where it’s not entirely clear. Whether such a post/comment breaks the rules might be a matter of perspective, might require the mod to try to guess the intent of the author, or might require consideration of detail that is not explicitly stated in the rules. For a particular post/comment, the author might think it was reasonable, but what they may not know is that we received reports from other users. Ultimately, someone has to make that call, and that’s what mods do.

AskLemmy@lemmy.world is the largest community I help mod, so I can really only talk about it, but from what I’ve seen mods try to moderate fairly, reasonably and in the best interests of the community. That’s why sometimes you might see a post from a mod asking for community input into how to apply the rules.

Some of your recent posts, including this one, are examples of ones that tend to sit in the grey zone. The nature of the questions, and the way that you frame them could be interpreted as spam, or as enabling pedophilia, as astroturfing, or as in the case of this post outside of the intent of the community (I’ll let it slide because it’s important discussion about community governance). On the other hand, they could also be interpreted as entirely reasonable questions that fit the community. Only you know your intent, so the mods have to make a call based on what they can see on their screens. That tends to be done on the basis of balance of probabilities, NOT beyond reasonable doubt.

For this community, I disagree that topics are removed if they are controversial. They are removed if a mod thinks they break the rules, or the TOS, or are outside the purpose of the community. The moderation in other communities may differ however.

This question gets-at an underlying problem in the whole world’s misconception of expression-rights:

“ABSOLUTE & ARBITRARY FREE Speech” vs VALID Speech having Rights & Protection…

Do serial-murderers hold that their serial-murdering is their “Right”?

Obviously they do:

that’s why they’re committing serial-murdering.

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WHEN one frames it as “ARBITRARY FREE Speech Right”,

THEN the cutoff is by definition arbitrary, & violation-of-FREE, which the no-context cult holds “justifies” not limiting in any way any expression/action.

Narcissism/machiavellianism, that.

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However, that framing always has been, is, & always will be, incorrect.

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Do Ebola, Rabies, Cancer, & Parasites have the “Right” to exercise their free-expression within your body??

IF one is a FREE Speech ABSOLUTIST,

THEN one’s having, & exercising, of an immune-system, …

… is violating the FREE Speech of all pathogens, within one’s body:

which is 2-facedness.

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EXACTLY as censorship of pathogens within one’s body is required for your health, so-to is censorship of pathogens-against-our-country’s-health required within our country.

That includes pathogens pushing child-molestation, rape, serial-murder, treason, disinformation, smear-campaigns, prejudice’s protection, etc.

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Health & disease are mutually-exclusive conditions, and forcing out disease requires both objectivity-in-one’s-action AND it requires ruthless integrity in one’s enforcing.

VALID Speech MUST have rights.

Whistleblowers, actual-journalism, etc, MUST enforce accountability.

Pathogenicity, however, cannot be permitted to control the process of a country, or that country’s viability is corrupted, & its time rightfully short.

Corrupt-entities have no “entitlement” to viability, in this Universe.

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As for Reddit vs Lemmy-instances,

Reddit sides with cancer-intent having rights to free-speech, and systematically removes posts & comments which either threaten it with accountability, OR which push accountability that it won’t tolerate

( some r/Superstonk posts removed, because they threatened money’s special-interest-group with accountability, e.g. ).

Each Lemmy instance has its own rules AND each Lemmy community has its own rules, too.

So, in Lemmy, it’s more ad-hoc.

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But nobody is trying to discover & hold-to the objectively most-viable standards, because political-conforming is preferred, and that will be either near-fatal for humankind or it will be fatal for humankind, as this “armageddon” century unfolds:

ClimatePunctuation is still accelerating.

The curve of climate-change-speed looks like a Bell curve:

climate-change-speed is small, at the beginning, becomes big, then tones down again, as the planet reaches its equilibrium, century/centuries later.

We’re in the climbing/accelerating portion of that curve.

Consensus “Science” has been ignoring that.

It has been ignoring the last 2M years of data identifying that the equilibrium-temperature for our current atmosphere is a MINIMUM of +5C ( and that is ignoring the artificially-boosted methane, too, which puts it between +8C to +9C )

( Evolution of global temperature over the past two million years https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19798

• 280ppm CO2 * 9th-root-of-2^1 == planetary +1C == 302.5ppm CO2
• 280ppm CO2 * 9th-root-of-2^5 == planetary +5C == 411.5ppm CO2
• 280ppm CO2 * 9th-root-of-2^8 == planetary +8C == 518.5ppm CO2
• 280ppm CO2 * 9th-root-of-2^9 == planetary +9C == 560ppm CO2

We’re currently in the 417…421ppm range of CO2, alone.

Factoring in the excess 1.3-1.4ppm methane, only, NOT including ANY of the other greenhouse-gasses we’re producing, brings it up to 8-9C planetary-heating equilibrium, using methane’s 20y CO2 equivalent factor of 82.5x.

526…534.5ppm CO2-equivalent, with the methane, only, factored-in. )

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Both arbitrary-free-speech-absolutism AND consensus-conforming-only are delusional/nonviable.

Objectivity is the correct standard for deciding what pathogen-action is, and objectivity isn’t found within our feelings, it is found by our squelching our political-motivations & studying actuality, accepting evidence’s speech as being more valid than ours.

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So, the answer to your question is “culture”.

That is why what gets removed is systematically-different in Lemmy than in Reddit.

But the question is a tiny portion of the survival-importance question of will humankind understand the difference between arbitrary-free-expression vs Valid expression, and will humankind understand it in-time for human unconscious to begin committing viable life-committing?

The answer to that question, at this time, looks like …

"not likely:

too totally different in values".

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i don’t know what you’re talking about OP. i love it here. we need a place where radical liberals can call for change by whatever means necessary without getting modded by lame centrists.

Some communities have shit moderators, just like Reddit.

If you don’t like the mods in a community, start an alternative community and publicize it.

My best comments (global warming denial) were removed. I was very proud of them: they achieved -125 points. I also was banned from lemmy.ml due to it

https://endlesstalk.org/comment/6471802

Lemmy is no more or less arbitrary in its enforcement. It’s slightly different in what is acceptable, but that’s to be expected.

One part of it that hasn’t been mentioned here yet is that admins moderate the moderating of moderators more. As a mod, I’ve gotten admins for example asking me why the inbox has been unchecked after a few days. The place I think is trying not to repeat Reddit’s “anarchy” if that’s the right word to use.

Next time that happens take note of both the community and instance it happened on. The mod log is public. Check it.

One way to avoid this is to not post on lemmy.ml