Each time I try AMD graphics, something is fucked for me. Back with fglrx, fglrx just sucked, so I used Nvidia. Then I had an AMD right around when they finally had opensource drivers, but it was still buggy as hell. So I went with Nvidia again (first a GTX 790, then a GTX 1060). In the meantime I had a new work notebook where I also went with an AMD APU, and had driver crashes for a long time when I was in video calls and it had to decode multiple streams. That thankfully stabilized with Linux 6.4.
Since sooo many people in the community swear by AMD, I thought “dammit, let’s try it again for my new desktop” and got an 7800rx … and I have to reboot ~5 times until I finally make it to a running xserver or wayland session. Apparently I am hit by this problem (at least I hope so). But that doesn’t even read nice … the fix seems to be to revert another fix for powermanagement. So I either have a mostly non-booting card or suboptimal power management.
I start to regret having chosen AMD … again :-/ I seem to be cursed.
Funnily, I only run AMD now for the same reasons, except with Nvidia as the PITA. Always ongoing driver issues, power management or fans running like jet turbines… Last 3 machines AMD, no issues with the GPU’s/drivers.
I have a similar story with an RX580, I replaced my GTX 1060 3GB for a 8GB RX 580 mostly because the 3GB of vram were an issue for BeamNG.
Now I can’t record my 3 displays with the RX 580, it just fails when trying to do so, and 2 displays results in constant encoder overloads, something that the 1060 had issues at all, also my colors are off when recording and I have no idea why, it even happens when recording with the CPU:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=292196
Also kernel 6.6 broke the power reporting on all polaris GPUs, thankfully that was fixed recently in kernel 6.7.2, but holy shit it took like 6 months to fix that.
Polaris GPUs had very weak video encoders, I also had an RX 580 and had issues on Linux as well as Windows. To my knowledge the AMF encoders worked better for those, but I could never get them working with OBS
I probably shouldn’t have read tests and forums, but simply searched for crashes and open bugs to get a feeling for what I am getting into. Then again I also read from people with very ugly problems with nvidia, so it’s not a really good measure.
I really want AMD to be good; they offer more VRAM where nvidia always seems to cheap out in pretty suspicious ways. Then again nvidia seems to be more power efficient.
My time with nvidia on linux was 0 issues in performance or usability.
The only sort of issue that I had was that the GTX 1060 drew 20W at idle when using the 3 displays, this was a bug that nvidia fixed for the RTX 20 series and newer cards but never fixed for pascal lol.
But even on BeamNG, there was a period were the native linux version didn’t work on mesa while it worked for nvidia, now to be fair with amd this was because the vulkan implementation of beamng is horrible and right now it does not work on either lol.
I’ve had similar issues. I don’t understand the love for AMD. My whole rig is AMD, but it’s constantly having GPU crashes. All games run at high FPS and my CPU temps seem nominal. But the games will crash. Everything from RimWorld to Baldurs Gate 3. They all run pinned at 60fps but randomly crash. I’ve tried a thousand different configurations and drivers. I’ve tried Ubuntu and Linux Mint. I’m now just accepting that I can’t rely on it as a gaming rig. I like that AMD is trying to be progressive with open source drivers but the quality doesn’t seem to be there. My next rig might be Nvidia and Intel. But we will see.
Weird. I would check PSU next.
My issue was the GPU fan and the PSU fan would blow into each other. I opened the PSU and reversed the fan
Hah, I would not expect that to kill it. Maybe a small build. The other day I was switching the cards and realized my CPU fan and case fan were both disconnected, idk how the hell it was running without overheating… except I always have the side of the case off because the 3080 will shut me down otherwise.
Yeah, but having the fans off just means the heat is passively dissipated. Having another fan blow the hot air back in is worse since it just stays there
Maybe 🤔
It runs Wayland. That’s all the reason I need.
What does that mean? Genuinely don’t know what it means that it runs Wayland.
Did you check the system logs to see what caused it?
Many things can result in seemingliy random crashes. Any overclock (including XMP and Expo) or undervolt or even a bios version can be problematic.
I would check first if it’s stable on windows.
It’s not stable on Windows either. But I haven’t looked at logs because I didn’t really know what - or how - to check.
Most distros use systemd and its logging solution: journald. You can use journalctl to read the logs around the time of the crash for e.g.:
journalctl -S -5mthis shows the last 5 minutes. Use this when a game crashes but the system continues working and did not reboot.journalctl -b -1 -S -10mthis shows the last 10 minutes from the previous boot. Use this if the crash froze the whole system and rebooted.
Look for red lines (errors) and what wrote them. AMD GPU faults usually have the ‘amdgpu’ mentioned, memory errors could appear as ‘protection fault’.
journalctl -S -5m
Looks like this is the errors I’m seeing. I know it’s not helpful to just drop this in the chat, but I’m doing it for posterity (and to let you know your comment did in fact help me)!
Feb 04 16:47:40 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_dm_commit_planes.constprop.0 [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Waiting for fences timed out! Feb 04 16:47:40 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0 timeout, signaled seq=17063130, emitted seq=17063132 Feb 04 16:47:40 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Process information: process GameThread pid 161654 thread redDispatcher9 pid 161668 Feb 04 16:47:40 computer kernel: amdgpu 0000:0b:00.0: amdgpu: GPU reset begin! Feb 04 16:47:40 computer kernel: amdgpu 0000:0b:00.0: [drm:amdgpu_ring_test_helper [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring kiq_2.1.0 test failed (-110) Feb 04 16:47:40 computer kernel: [drm:gfx_v10_0_hw_fini [amdgpu]] *ERROR* KGQ disable failed Feb 04 16:47:40 computer kernel: amdgpu 0000:0b:00.0: [drm:amdgpu_ring_test_helper [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring kiq_2.1.0 test failed (-110) Feb 04 16:47:40 computer kernel: [drm:gfx_v10_0_hw_fini [amdgpu]] *ERROR* KCQ disable failed Feb 04 16:47:40 computer kernel: [drm:gfx_v10_0_cp_gfx_enable.isra.0 [amdgpu]] *ERROR* failed to halt cp gfxHappy to help! Tough you are right, this is a rather generic error that doesn’t help much just confirms that the GPU is the issue.
At this point it could be a driver issue since there are similar open bug reports. A hardware problem is still possible since you previously said that it’s unstable on windows too, and power related issues can also lead to this error message.
EDIT: Tentative solution: CoreCtrl
CoreCtrl allowed me to underclock my Radeon 5600XT GPU (currently set values to GPU 800MHz and memory set to 500MHz). I say “tentative” because this problem has been persistent for years, but I’ve been running Cyberpunk for 1 hour at 60FPS on High settings (and mostly 60FPS on Ultra, but I had some FPS drops). Even if this solution isn’t 100% perfect, I think some combination of changing the GPU values is probably going to make my rig much more functional.
I found CoreCtrl based on a Reddit thread last night but didn’t have time to test it until this evening after work. Seems to have made a world of a difference.
Yeah I’ve tried just about every feasible kernel parameter for
amdgpumodule, updated my kernel, to 6.2 on Linux Mint, and I’ve tried several different BIOS settings. My system runs everything reasonably. Even Cyberpunk 2077 is generally at 60FPS. But after about 5minutes of gaming on Cyberpunk 2077, it crashes. Other games last longer, which is why I use Cyberpunk 2077 to stress test my system.These are my system specs:
- PSU: 850 Watt 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular ATX
- CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 Eight-Core Processor × 8
- GPU: Radeon 5600XT
- RAM: G-SKill DDR4-3600 CL16-19-19-39 1.35V (2x16GB = 32GB total system memory)
- SSD: Samsung (MZ-V7E500BW) 970 EVO SSD 500GB - M.2 NVMe
- MOBO: Asus x470 Pro
- Other: TP-Link AC1200 PCIe WiFi Card for PC (Archer T5E) - Bluetooth 4.2, Dual Band Wireless Network Card installed in PCIEx1_3 which seems like it could be a variable I should remove, but I’ve tried removing it and didn’t see any changes in behavior. I’ve tried various PCIEx1_* slots with similar results.
I don’t really see where I might be going wrong here. I bought this all ~4 years ago and I’ve always had these intermittent crashes. It’s admittedly worse on Linux, but it still occurred on Windows.
Anyways, I spent about 5 hours last night reading bug forums, testing various amdgpu mod parameters, settings in my BIOS, and even re-configuring my fans to provide (potentially) more optimal cooling. None of this really made a difference. I run two 1080p monitors (not exactly breaking the bank here). I had a lot of hope regarding one forum about
ring gfx_1.0.0 errorsrelated to how AMD reads the GPU in Linux. My graphics card is detected as:Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Navi 10 [Radeon RX 5600 OEM/5600 XT / 5700/5700 XT]and apparently some machines used to accidentally use the total allocated memory for 5700XT instead of the 5600XT. This resulted in some form of corrupt memory allocation. That sort of behavior would make sense for my system since it runs well, but just fails suddenly.Other errors I’ve seen are:
Feb 04 20:17:01 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0 timeout, signaled seq=116669, emitted seq=116671 Feb 04 20:17:01 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Process information: process GameThread pid 3668 thread redDispatcher12 pid 3684 ... Feb 04 20:26:16 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0 timeout, signaled seq=34068, emitted seq=34071 Feb 04 20:26:16 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Process information: process GameThread pid 4208 thread redDispatcher13 pid 4232 Feb 04 20:26:17 computer kernel: [drm:do_aquire_global_lock.isra.0 [amdgpu]] *ERROR* [CRTC:77:crtc-0] hw_done or flip_done timed out ... Feb 04 21:00:43 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring comp_1.3.0 timeout, signaled seq=3085, emitted seq=3086 Feb 04 21:00:43 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Process information: process GameThread pid 3771 thread redDispatcher8 pid 3783 ... Feb 04 22:28:50 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_device_ip_early_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* early_init of IP block failed -19 Feb 04 22:28:50 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_device_ip_early_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* early_init of IP block failed -19 Feb 04 22:36:57 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0 timeout, signaled seq=171774, emitted seq=171776 Feb 04 22:36:57 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Process information: process GameThread pid 4122 thread redDispatcher5 pid 4131 ... Feb 04 22:45:46 computer kernel: [drm:do_aquire_global_lock.isra.0 [amdgpu]] *ERROR* [CRTC:77:crtc-0] hw_done or flip_done timed out Feb 04 22:45:56 computer kernel: [drm:do_aquire_global_lock.isra.0 [amdgpu]] *ERROR* [CRTC:80:crtc-1] hw_done or flip_done timed out Feb 04 22:46:19 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring comp_1.1.0 timeout, signaled seq=123, emitted seq=124 Feb 04 22:46:19 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Process information: process GameThread pid 4187 thread redDispatcher8 pid 4202 ... Feb 04 23:49:45 computer kernel: [drm:gfx_v10_0_priv_reg_irq [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Illegal register access in command stream Feb 04 23:49:45 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0 timeout, signaled seq=435155, emitted seq=435157 Feb 04 23:49:45 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Process information: process GameThread pid 3668 thread redDispatcher12 pid 3690 ... Feb 04 23:58:58 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring gfx_0.0.0 timeout, signaled seq=66268, emitted seq=66270 Feb 04 23:58:58 computer kernel: [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Process information: process GameThread pid 4180 thread redDispatcher11 pid 4196 Feb 04 23:58:58 computer kernel: [drm:do_aquire_global_lock.isra.0 [amdgpu]] *ERROR* [CRTC:77:crtc-0] hw_done or flip_done timed out^ These are all errors which occurred from various tests of
amdgpumodule settings and/or BIOS settings. The common thread is some form ofring XXXX timeout.These two threads seemed like my best chance, but their proposed solutions didn’t help:
I just got a 7600XT. My only complaint is that it isn’t pushing quite enough frames so I would need something more beefy, but then I will also lose GSync because of my monitors so I will probably simply return it and go back to the 3080. Lower TDP and thermals was quite nice though and wayland was much less buggy. No crashes, I’m on ubuntu tho.
The 3080 has ass performance on Wayland
My favorite bug is when I resume from suspend and everything becomes rainbow colored.
Same but with a Vega APU, also love it when it merges the console screen with whatever was on there bufore suspend and it’s just a text graphics rainbow mess
Nvidia by default does not preserve video memory when you suspend.
Relatively easy to fix if you follow arch wiki.
Blah, I kinda tried, but no dice yet, only managed to stop my suspend from working. I have modprobe/nvidia.conf and with the tmpfile option, updated initramfs, added the services… but only my monitors turn off. I can probably live without it for now though.
Sorry to hear that. Got what it’s worth, I’ve had no problems with integrated AMD graphics, so maybe it’s a PCIe issue?
Hmm, interesting idea. I need to investigate that. The dmesg output is full of amdgpu irq errors, but of course that could also happen with an issue on the board.
I would rule out a generic hardware issue, since 1) I get graphics during boot up until it needs to do a modeswitch (I guess) and b) it works fine so far on Windows.
I did have a similar issue after the first boot on Windows as well and assumed so far that the modeswitch after the initial driver install caused the problem. But Windows likely also installed chipset drivers at that time, so PCIe could be a possibility. Then again… I know that Windows reloads graphics drivers on-the-fly… but chipset drivers? Probably not. Which would speak against that theory.
I have no clue how Linux initiates the communication with a PCIe board, and whether the amdgpu driver would take care of that. But hardware excluded, some misconfiguration on the driver’s part could be present. Good luck!
I have no clue how Linux initiates the communication with a PCIe board, and whether the amdgpu driver would take care of that. But hardware excluded, some misconfiguration on the driver’s part could be present. Good luck!
On EndeavorOS I haven’t had issues with a Vega64 and now with a 6800XT. I followed the AMD Gpu guides from Arch wiki to get everything up and running but that was back when I started the build with the Vega 64. After the upgrade I didn’t even need to touch anything and all non anti-cheat games work quite well. Maybe I got lucky though.
oh man, reading the comments fill me with fear, as I just ordered a new computer after stretching my old laptop for 8 years or so. I was super close to getting an AMD but went with Nvidia in the end… but so much bad juju in the comments for Nvidia too…
You may wish to pick a distro that makes a point of nvidia compatibility.
I use nobara, who have a few options in the welcome script specifically to improve compatibility with nvidia. I’ve specifically heard popOS mentioned several times as one people have liked with nvidia as well.
Some only ship with or distribute alternative open source nvidia drivers that tank performance.
Yeah, until this thread I was convinced I should stay away from nvidia GPUs when building a new PC with Linux in mind, but I’m not so sure anymore.
RX 6700 XT here… once I refreshed the thermal pads and the thermal paste, it works great in Windows and Linuxes… Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, Bazzite (Immutable Fedora but for gaming), it had no issues with the amdgpu driver builtin on any of them.
It’s a completely new card, so I will not fiddle around with it. Also it runs almost flawless on Windows (aside from a similar crash on the very first boot during driver install).
Yup I’m hit by the exact same bug currently. But I was able to go back to before I updated with Snapper and now I’ll wait until the fix is in the Tumbleweed repos.
But other than that I’m much happier with the AMD than with my Nvidia (on Linux that is). VRR with Wayland on multiple monitors just works without issues. And no issues except the current one.
I need to give the LTS kernel a shot tomorrow, but I could swear I tried that and had the same issue. Which now makes me fear that I might have a different problem. Argh.
Dammit, same symptoms. Which, I guess, is not a good sign. Maybe my issue is different or I have another issue on top.
I’ve always had great experiences with AMD and not Nvidia. Maybe its just there newer cards.
Since people normally only report on negative experiences: I was lucky enough to get a reference AMD 6900 XT during the GPU shortages.
Switched from Ubuntu to Fedora for it because Ubuntu didn’t have firmware for it yet.
Ever since then it has been a rock solid GPU. Never even had such a stable GPU under Windows.
Have been running Fedora with Wayland for more than 2 years now and can count the crashes on a single hand, most were my fault.
I’m sure once that issue is sorted out that GPU is going to ride along for years with minimal maintenance required.
(You might want to downgrade your kernel until then though)
I couldn’t get my 6900XT to drive my G9 at 240Hz, but 120 isn’t too bad. I should probably try again soon.
Been 20+yrs of some random flavor of driver problems for me, since my 9700 Pro at the very least.
Over DisplayPort? That’s interesting, I knew AMD can’t do HDMI 2.0 but there shouldn’t be a problem with DP.
Might wanna try a proper new certified DP 2.1 cable, just to be safe.
I “only” drive a AW3423DW but no issues at 3440x1440 with 165Hz.
Indeed over DP. It works fine at 240Hz in Windows, but of course the graphics quality in games is not as good as with nvidia.
What kernel version are you using? 6.7? Unfortunately using the latest and greatest kernel means you’ll be among the first to get bitten by new bugs. Does the issue also occurs on 6.6 and 6.1?
Same issue on 6.6.14. :-(
I had a rock solid AMD RX 580 up until the release of kernel version 6.7. Now I’m lucky to get a system that can remain up for longer than thirty minutes. Sticking to 6.6 has worked for me and definitely something you should try as well, but it’s worth noting that any amount of time spent on the issue tracker for AMD GPU stuff will reveal tons of issues from 6.6 as well.
Me playing with my 7900XTX no issues on Bazzite
Run
sudo dmesg | grep amdgpuand look for errors.You may have a firmware file missing, for instance. If that’s the case, it’s an easy fix - just download the firmware files from the kernel tree and put them wherever your system wants them.
This is how I do it on Debian but it should be easy enough to adapt to whatever distribution you’re using (it might be exactly the same tbh): https://blog.c10l.cc/09122023-debian-gaming#firmware
Thanks for the idea!
dmesgshows the same errors as in the referenced bug ticket. So I don’t think missing firmware is the issue. I would not be surprised however, if the problem in general is a combination ofamdgpuand firmware behavior. (IMO the hardware should not crash as hard as it does, so the firmware seems to be a bit wonky too)
