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Could also mention the Assad Genocide next door that has killed more Muslims in 10 years than Israel has in 75.
Russia isnt doing a genocide, they’re just Fighting a war over land. You can tell by the fact that Putin speaks about Crimeans as if they’re equivalent to Russians, while Israel has made it clear they consider all Palestinians to be animals.
If Russia plans to genocide Ukraine they would have the war with more force similar to what Israel doing in gaza. In 2 years the death toll in Ukraine vs Russia has been exceeded im 2 months by Israel.
If Russia goal is a genocide then they need to re-evaluate their approach because they are not doing right.
They definitely comitted war crimes but intent of genocide has not been clear compare to what Israel is doing.
You can support Ukraine position but I don’t think calling Russia attack as genocidal is accurate.
I mean, Russia flubbed so hard the whole world saw it.
Israel clearly has the arsenal everyone thought Russia did.
What Russians are doing might or might not be genocide in the strictest sense. But it definitely is cultural genocide, since their goal is to wipe out the Ukrainian identity, language and culture. Russianization is what Russia has always done to other peoples they have subjugated over the centuries.
Putin made it clear that he doesn’t consider Ukrainian a language
Technically he’s right, it’s a dialect (:
Even more technically, the line between dialect and language is a blurry one, decided in part by the speakers’ intent and identity. British English, American English, Canadian English, Australian English, and Indian English are dialects, but Scots is its own language? Danish, Swedish, and Norweigan are separate languages, but Française French and Québécois French are dialects?
English speakers tend to have a very binary view of language vs. dialect, because English exists in this weird linguistic zone where its closest living relatives are all… slightly different English. Sure, it can be a bit difficult to grok some terms from across the pond, but with a short list of vocab words you can generally understand other Englishes just fine, whereas you’ll understand other languages pretty much not at all. There’s not really any mutually-intelligible other languages that English speakers can more-or-less communicate with. At best, you can pick out a handful of similarities in germanic/scandi languages because of shared heritage.
That’s not the case, globally. The Scandinavians (sans Finland) can all talk to each other, (the old running joke of <x language> sounds like <y language> drunk and/or with a potato in their mouth) but they’re “different languages”. Germans and the Dutch can generally understand each other, maybe not at full speaking speed, but at very least reading. A lot of African languages are essentially a spectrum of regional variants on each other, and so speakers of one will be able to make themselves understood to varying degrees to speakers of another depending on how far diverged they are; the same is largely true for the Middle East. But then we say Portugal and Brazil both speak Portugese; Spain and Mexico both speak Spanish. Even though there’s quite the adjustment period for a person from one visiting the other.
There’s no objective standard of what’s “dialect” and what’s “different language”, but a large deciding factor is clearly national identity; people from different countries usually speak different languages (again, English is rather an outlier). The language spoken in Ukraine is not identical to standard Russian. They’re at least as different from each other as some separate languages. So if Ukranians say they speak the Ukrainian language, not Ukrainian Russian, that’s their call.
Even more technically, the line between dialect and language is a blurry one.
It may be for the English language, but, you know, English is not everything. And yes like it or not, ukrainian is a Russian dialect.
Did you somehow miss the majority of the comment, which was not about English at all?
The distinction between a language and a dialect is a matter of opinion and (usually) politics.
Oh my favorite: the political game of whether something is a dialect 🙄
Linguists generally take the position that Belarusian, Russian, and Ukrainian are partially mutually intelligible languages.
By what definition? Is it really mutual intelligible? I speak neither but from what I know, the pronunciation differs hugely and the vocabulary since Russian is influenced by Old Church Slavonic while Ukrainian has many loan words from Polish (which more often than not originate in Germanic languages).
Also: Someone smart once that a language is a dialect with a navi and an army and Ukraine has both, even though Putin would wish they didn’t
Yeah, them stealing Ukrainian babies and giving them to Russian families definitely doesn’t sound like ethnic cleansing.
Next tell me about how China is commiting genocide on Uighurs. Despite the lack of… evidence. And the endorsement of most major Muslims countries…
Also insisting Ukrainians in occupied territory give up their language and culture or face torture and execution.
This is forced assimilation. A bad crime, but not genocide.
If words are used incorrectly they lose meaning. Which is usually fine, but not for a thing we vowed “never again” for.
Which is usually fine, but not for a thing we vowed “never again” for.
The Gaza genocide is exactly what they vowed “never again” for. Meir Kahane meant the Jews would resort to the most vicious methods to avoid being victimised again. It’s was always a pro-ethnic violence slogan.
“Never again” is dead. It’s happening again right now and it seems nobody with the power to do anything about it cares in the slightest.
Forcing people to give up their language and culture can be considered cultural genocide. Cultural genocide is not included in the UN Genocide Convention, so the definition of cultural genocide is not universally agreed upon. But the UN Genocide Convention does include “Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group” in its definition of genocide, and Russia is not shy about their relocation and adoption programs, so we can pretty definitively say that Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine.
You might have a selective memory.
Whatever Putin says should obviously be considered of high information value because it bears so much honesty, integrity and insight. Thank you for reminding us all!
True. That’s why he never contradicts himself
And the civil wars in Sudan, Yemen and Myanmar
Throw in Amenia and Azerbaijan.
Not fan of this meme which is often used incorrecty but man, are you spot on!
I was with it til the end – not very accurate, e.g. there’s 10 mentions of Ukraine on the front of https://www.theguardian.com today
Tigray/Ethiopia would be a better fit for the meme
Also, Myanmar. Everone seems to forget the young democracy trying to survive.
I can’t believe the GOP called Biden an appeaser on these 3 deaths while they hold up military aid for Ukraine. Unbelievable.
Next time vote with your 🧠
Why are we continuing to give Ukraine aid at all? It literally is just killing more people.
Why did the US fight against Japan after Pear Harbor? It just meant that more people got killed, both American and Japanese.
Why did the Soviet Union fight against Nazi Germany? It literally was just killing more people, both Soviet and German.
Because they could win is why they fought. Since Ukraine wont win, why fight?
Why did the North Vietnamese fight against the United States? Surely they could not have won?
Why did the Afghani fight against the Soviet Union? There’s no way they could win against a superpower, right?
Those are different kinds of wars. Insurgent wars are different than wars between two established governments. Do you understand the difference?
because it’s killing people who are invading and committing genocide on other people…
it literally is just saving livesIf the war was over, wouldnt that save more lives?
If the allied forces never fought against the Nazis, wouldn’t all the Jews still be alive? No reason to kill the Jews if there’s no war, right? /s
no… it’s a genocide.
see also: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/ukraine-crisis-children/Do you realize that if the west had not intervened, the war would be over, Ukraine would have more territory, and tens to hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive?
Ukraine would have MORE territory? Is this just a joke that I don’t understand?
Found the troll
Found the guy that just repeats propaganda
What makes you think the killing will stop?
If your reason is “Because they will be dead”, then I think you have your answer.
The US said the same thing about helping Czeckslovakia, then Poland, then Yugoslavia, then France.
Sticking your head in the sand to ignore a problem, does not do anything to address it.
Sure, but I we can look at the actual facts and see that giving Ukraine money has harmed them in the long run and they are about to lose so why have them waste more lives instead of negotiate?
Considering the war in ukr rn exists bc nobody helped ukr the first time, I think we should give the right message to Putin so that it doesn’t start another war
The war in Ukraine exists because of agression by the west, but I guess we are just doing “Putin is hilter!!!” thing.
You’ve been flagged as a sock puppet account for this by a #BlueAnon conspiracy theorist.
Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
Lmao are you fuckin high? wtf is that site?
- Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
- Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
- Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
- Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
- MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
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They shot down an airliner full of Dutch and Australian citizens and we were all 🤷♀️
This was the least surprising war ever.
Source? I haven’t seen anything about this.
Flight MH17
Flight MH17. It was pretty big news at the time, but the various countries involved basically did fuck all about it.
It was over 9 years ago when Russia invaded Ukraine with their little green men.
Read about WW2 and appeasing Hitler.
Russia is not Germany and the comparison is weak at best.
Lol obvious troll is obvious. No wonder your account is only 3 days old.
Oh gotcha, you dong have a good reasoned argument, so you go straight to ad hominem. Nice work!
Thank you!
Lying is like breathing to them. I’m not surprised at all. And after watching it go on for approximately my whole life, I’m not surprised their voters believe them, either.
This is really more telling about yourself.
The real question is why were there are soldiers in Jordan at all.
They are collaborating with the Iraqi and Jordanian governments to fight the Islamic State.
Why are we over there fighting the Islamic State?
Pretty sure Russia isn’t fighting ISIS. The US is because it doesn’t want a major oil producing country to be destabilized again.
The Islamic state was essentially created due to American meddling in the Middle East. More of the same isn’t going to defeat extremism
Is that your mom’s name?
Multiple reasons can be achieved if the area is destabilize. The best way to do that by having an outpost there. Keep in mind The base mainly in Syria but they claim the attack was on a tower in Jordan where the Jordinian officials claim it was in Syria.
By having a base there they can support local tribs to fight the Syrian Government, allowing Israel to take the golan highest and expanding on that front.
They can support the kurds to control oil rich regions in exchange for oil.
They can play victim if they want to have a war again in the middle east in case of economic needs.
Finally it is a step forward to the great kingdom of Israel that people pretend it is not a plan.
