In some, especially rural, areas, the charger infrastructure probably isn’t there and public transit isn’t viable in all cases. I’m thinking of industries like farming, forestry, etc. That said, that’s probably a fairly tiny portion of overall ICE usage for normal vehicles (I’m assuming construction equipment, tractors, etc. aren’t included in this).
I think it might also be financially difficult in some cases where people really do need a car (thinking rural life again, here), but are living on a very tight budget. That could also potentially be handled with subsidies and such, but I don’t know how that would practically work.
You’re thinking America, Norway is small enough you can go without charging for a good while and it has lots of small cities, you can have enough charge to go to some city to “refuel” without issue. Yeah it’ll not be fast, but you won’t need several full charges to go from one end of the country to another
2300 km from one tip to the other, shining a range of 500km (done models go over 600 some others just above 400, so seems reasonable middle ground) that would be just over 4 charges, but this drive is already going to take over 29 hours. One of these charges will be overnight, not causing issues for your travel and you can charge while you eat lunch, so it would take away 2 other charging sessions. That would leave with a single charge session unaccounted for. Honestly it seems pretty good
Or we don’t have a good way to conveniently charge them. This makes up a significant portion of users who would buy an EV. Dunno why everyone peddling EVs always conveniently ignores this.
Look, I think EVs are a fantastic idea, but if you can’t figure out the charging infrastructure, then it doesn’t make sense for many of us.
I had absolutely no idea just how many electric chargers there are in my country until I got an EV and started using the zapmap app.
But that’s just for long journeys. Most of the time I just plug in every few days when I get home and it changes in the cheap hours overnight when I only pay 9p per kwh.
I used to spend about five times as much on petrol as I do now on electricity. And the car is just so much more fun to drive. So much zoom.
Most of the time I just plug in every few days when I get home
That’s literally exactly what I’m talking about. There are a very large, statistically significant number of individuals who do not live in detached, single family homes and cannot put in a charging station at home.
It doesn’t really make sense for those of us without to go sit at a public paid charging station for a couple hours each week when it only takes a few minutes to pump up on gas.
I think it would be different if these charging stations were in places where people spend a decent chunk of time each week, like the grocery store. But they most often are not.
There are quite a lot in supermarket, fast food restaurants etc in my country, but they’re a lot more expensive than home charging. Your point is a good one, and we need more on street chargers where people park overnight.
But eventually EVs will go down in price or should like a lot of other things as they become more popular. They shouldn’t ban sale of used ICEs though. That wouldn’t be fair. And it would make ICEs worthless. I can’t afford an EV yet but no hope to one day. If a country band ICEs the logical thing would be for EVs to go down to be affordable.
They’ve been saying that for the past 25-50 years, there’s more fossil fuels to be had, they’re just increasingly more difficult to reach (until the permafrost melts…)
It’s good we’re shifting to renewables, but we could continue our bullshit for the foreseeable future.
It’s more about cost efficiency. We probably won’t see the end of fossil fuels in our lifetime. The reserves are finding more and more scarce though. Plus people have told me they use solar power at home and charge their EV.
It makes sense, why does anyone need them? We will run out of fossil fuels in the next 25-50 years. They are also less cost efficient.
In some, especially rural, areas, the charger infrastructure probably isn’t there and public transit isn’t viable in all cases. I’m thinking of industries like farming, forestry, etc. That said, that’s probably a fairly tiny portion of overall ICE usage for normal vehicles (I’m assuming construction equipment, tractors, etc. aren’t included in this).
I think it might also be financially difficult in some cases where people really do need a car (thinking rural life again, here), but are living on a very tight budget. That could also potentially be handled with subsidies and such, but I don’t know how that would practically work.
You’re thinking America, Norway is small enough you can go without charging for a good while and it has lots of small cities, you can have enough charge to go to some city to “refuel” without issue. Yeah it’ll not be fast, but you won’t need several full charges to go from one end of the country to another
2300 km from one tip to the other, shining a range of 500km (done models go over 600 some others just above 400, so seems reasonable middle ground) that would be just over 4 charges, but this drive is already going to take over 29 hours. One of these charges will be overnight, not causing issues for your travel and you can charge while you eat lunch, so it would take away 2 other charging sessions. That would leave with a single charge session unaccounted for. Honestly it seems pretty good
We need them because most of us have to buy used ICE cars because of our financial situation.
Or we don’t have a good way to conveniently charge them. This makes up a significant portion of users who would buy an EV. Dunno why everyone peddling EVs always conveniently ignores this.
Look, I think EVs are a fantastic idea, but if you can’t figure out the charging infrastructure, then it doesn’t make sense for many of us.
I had absolutely no idea just how many electric chargers there are in my country until I got an EV and started using the zapmap app.
But that’s just for long journeys. Most of the time I just plug in every few days when I get home and it changes in the cheap hours overnight when I only pay 9p per kwh.
I used to spend about five times as much on petrol as I do now on electricity. And the car is just so much more fun to drive. So much zoom.
That’s literally exactly what I’m talking about. There are a very large, statistically significant number of individuals who do not live in detached, single family homes and cannot put in a charging station at home.
It doesn’t really make sense for those of us without to go sit at a public paid charging station for a couple hours each week when it only takes a few minutes to pump up on gas.
I think it would be different if these charging stations were in places where people spend a decent chunk of time each week, like the grocery store. But they most often are not.
There are quite a lot in supermarket, fast food restaurants etc in my country, but they’re a lot more expensive than home charging. Your point is a good one, and we need more on street chargers where people park overnight.
But eventually EVs will go down in price or should like a lot of other things as they become more popular. They shouldn’t ban sale of used ICEs though. That wouldn’t be fair. And it would make ICEs worthless. I can’t afford an EV yet but no hope to one day. If a country band ICEs the logical thing would be for EVs to go down to be affordable.
This is only new. They’re not stupid enough to kick off 2/3 of cars currently on the road.
If you really cared you would just be less poor.
Thanks for the insight into my finances, Elon. I’ll get to having kids soon too.
They’ve been saying that for the past 25-50 years, there’s more fossil fuels to be had, they’re just increasingly more difficult to reach (until the permafrost melts…)
It’s good we’re shifting to renewables, but we could continue our bullshit for the foreseeable future.
It’s more about cost efficiency. We probably won’t see the end of fossil fuels in our lifetime. The reserves are finding more and more scarce though. Plus people have told me they use solar power at home and charge their EV.