• toastal@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    9 months ago

    Will the source code ever move off of proprietary Microsoft GitHub where users need to have an account to contribute & search code—or certain users are blocked due to US sanctions? If the idea is wanting to stand up against centralized US-corpo-controlled social media for forums, why use that US-megacorpate-controlled code forge / social media platform?

    • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      9 months ago

      I agree with this concern. Lemmy should have a Plan B and alternative non-US git host ready. If those Washington shitbags can label Lemmygrad as a big bad “tankie” platform, and go after “tankies”, they will come for Lemmy too.

      • toastal@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        9 months ago

        The took down youtube-dl since record labels cried while allow ICE repositories. Whatever pleases the corporate & political interest is what they will do.

    • 1984@lemmy.todayEnglish
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      9 months ago

      I think it’s fine. You won’t influence anything about US by using a worse collaboration platform. If Lemmy becomes more and more popular, it may eventually become a real alternative for the masses. That’s what the goal should be - not avoiding github.

      It’s better to be smart here.

      • toastal@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        9 months ago

        Some alternative forges offer better features (or less social cruft) & are faster (some are not even limited to Git!)… what you will get is the ability to own the code & community along with set the terms instead of letting Microsoft set them for your community & be the gatekeeper for who gets to have access. If you wanted a corporate, centralized, proprietary forum go back to Reddit/Twitter; if you think that’s a terrible recommendation, in the same spirit you should leave behind corporate, centralized, proprietary code forges.

    • phiresky@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 months ago

      I agree that it’s not ideal to be hosted on a platform controlled by Microsoft, but it’s just a fact that you lose 90+% of contributors if you are anywhere else (there’s an article where someone compared, can’t find it right now). It’s not great that that’s how it is, but you need to choose your battles.

      I’m not really very concerned, since git itself is decentralized, and if Github starts causing visible problems moving somewhere else is not a huge problem. Also VPNs exist.

      • aeharding@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 months ago

        Yeah, tbh the worst vendor lock-in part of Github (edit: other than the aformentioned social aspect) is Github Releases. And Lemmy doesn’t really use them.

    • nutomic@lemmy.mlMEnglish
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      9 months ago

      So far these problems are mostly theoretical, in practice Github works fine. But once Forgejo gets federation working we will probably migrate to a selfhosted instance.

      • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOPMEnglish
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        9 months ago

        I’d also be in favor of moving to Forgejo once federation gets fully functioning, and reliable.

    • CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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      9 months ago

      This is a good idea. There are currently mirrors on codeberg and a gitea instance, but I could see picking one of those platforms as the main place to host and making the github one a mirror. The main hurdle I can see for this sort of migration is that all the open issues are currently on github.

    • Dessalines@lemmy.mlOPMEnglish
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      9 months ago

      Its unfortunate that we (and it seems like 99% of other Rust projects), do their issue tracking on github. We have multiple mirrors set up for Lemmy, so the code is safe from takedowns, but the issue tracker is a concern.

      The main issue I’ve had is: if we migrate, I want that migration to be permanent, and for me a requirement for that is federated collaboration. I’ve had codeberg remove a torrent project of mine to comply with German law, and gitlab has most of the same problems of github. Self-hosted gitea instances work, but many people just don’t contribute to them when they have to make an account on each one.

      You’ll see below that Lemmy’s two main devs are in favor of migrating our issue tracking to forgejo, once federation gets reliably up and running.