A grainy image of his face drew comparisons to Hollywood heartthrobs. A jacket similar to the one he’s wearing on wanted posters is reportedly flying off the shelves. And the words written on the bullets he used to kill a man in cold blood on a sidewalk on Wednesday have become, for some people, a rallying cry.
Four days after a gunman assassinated a top health insurance executive in Midtown Manhattan and vanished, the unidentified suspect has, in some quarters, been venerated as something approaching a folk hero.
You see that, Lemmings? Your fetishism got us in the news, I hope you’re proud of yourselves for getting us all labelled as the people horny for murdering.
Dude, I was at the grocery store and the manager started joking about killing ceos to me. I’d only made a comment about our state not having banned beer yet. This is mainstream, unlike lemmy
I don’t condone murder, but I also dont feel sad about a mass murderer being gunned down.
That’s pretty much what condone means. From MW:
To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure. synonym: forgive.
From Cambridge:
to ignore or accept behavior that some people consider wrong
So you’re perhaps not encouraging it?
It’s not without protest though. The protest is… was this guy a mass murderer? Yes? Well ok then
Hmm… TIL The word condone means something slightly different than I thought.
That said, one can still want a murderer to face justice while also not being upset about the victim death.
But I suspect this story has quite few people realizing they do condone murder in some cases.
Yeah, I looked it up to be sure. Not to be a dick.
And yeah, perhaps we should just condone condoning certain things and draw the line at encouraging or assisting?
What’s grim about it? Of course people are gonna look kindly upon someone who kills a mass murderer.
Google, show me “CEO assassination rule34”
In grim twist, corporate media tries to guilt people out of having hope
Media is there to make ownera feel good so they are doing just that.
Issue is that working class is not accepting this narrative.
A dead corporate executive is the most unift people have ever been in a generation.
I don’t think extra security can save them when entire country wants you dead
And we now have an entire country open to talking about how much they want corporate executives dead.
FA is done, I think this is FO stage
Three incident in the last 4 years where billionaires owned media got caught lying. Covid, Gaza, and now this. In all of these they didnt gave shit about innocent people dying, finding excuses and twisting words to gaslight people.
The pearl clutching from the bourgeois is becoming a bit annoying.
Grim? WTF? The dude is a hero.
We need a French solution to the oligarchy problem and this guy moved us in the right direction.
He’s a god damn hero.
May I remind you Trump got re-elected? The US chose for more money to mega corps and the ultra rich. There is no dictatorship in the US (yet), this system is by choice. Anyone who wanted to create a more social support system including better healthcare is painted as a communist, a nazi and as corrupt and en masse people vote for the person to make a fucked up system even worse. The US doesn’t need a French solution, the US needs to vote differently when they don’t like this shit. When you vote for oligarchs, you get oligarchs.
lol you guys don’t have a non oligarch option, so I don’t really understand how voting would save you guys at this point.
Trump got elected because the richest man in the world spent a quarter of a billion dollars on his campaign, and that has tangible results.
Why do you think people think these things and vote for oligarchs?
Lack of critical thinking and proper education
Because most people follow the one that shouts the loudest. The person who claims to have the answer to all problems usually does really well during elections, especially when there are many things not going too well. It doesn’t matter whether these persons actually have a solid solution, they don’t even have to have a plan, only shout they know what to do. People don’t want to spend their time to figure out whether a poliyion consists of empty promises and lies, people expect politicians to be honest. Most of the time the populist politicians not just claim they have the answer and solution to all, they also make their competition look evil by claiming they are corrupt, nazis, communists, pedophiles, etc. “You don’t want to vote for a pedo, do you?” No matter the acts they committed themselves. For example, Hitler claimed to be a national ‘socialist’ while claiming the dirty communists are evil, winning the socialist votes. Putin, who is a full nazi based on his actions, invades Ukraine “to fight nazis”. Trump, who is an extreme right wing politician with a long friendship with Epstein and now a criminal record, claims his opponents are nazis, pedos and criminals and those should never hold office.
Facts don’t matter, it’s all feelings. The one who knows how to hit that usually is very popular during less stable times. So when billionaires claim they can end wars, bring us to Mars, fix the economy, drive out those criminal desease infested immigrants (or jews in nazi Germany setting) (see, making them look super evil, dehumanizing them, creating a villain only they have a solition to), people just think “he’s successful with all his money, lying on such a large scale can’t be possible right, the opposition apparently is super evil, he must be a good candidate”.
TLDR: Fueling hate and anger, claiming to be the only one with a solution usually works to get people’s votes. And the general public is too dumb to see beyond empty promises and they dismiss facts over feelings.
Right. Everything you say is true but you don’t look into the mechanisms that sit behind and make it work. You’re not looking into why it works.
For example, you mention how people don’t want to spend their time figuring out what a politician really stands for. But why? Most people don’t have this time. Most people don’t have the training needed to critically assess the information they receive either. The system’s always worked on the basis of some level of honesty along with robust and critical media. Ultimately most people hear most of the words of the candidates through media. In the 20th century through radio, TV and in the 21st through the Internet. When you explore the media angle you can observe media ownership changes and with them a significant shift to pro-corporate, pro-billionaire and anti-worker stances dominating the landscape. In effect, the billionaires are telling the people who don’t have time or skill to seek and sift through independent information, what to think, believe and feel, and who best represents those feelings.
Then you have candidates emerge who represent those feelings and the same billionaires pour ridiculous amounts of money in their campaigns, get their media outlets to transmit the message without sufficiently challenging its factuality and effects.
You put the two together and that answers to a significant degree why people vote for oligarchs. We saw all of this play out in plain sight during the recent US election.
You can’t remove loudmouths that promise easy solutions to hard problems. They’ve always existed. If you removed their funding and their megaphones however, most won’t even know about them. That’s not to say populists haven’t been elected without being supported by the owner class, but this isn’t one of those cases. This is the owner class capturing the democratic system and electing their representative through these methods. It didn’t happen yesterday. It’s been going on for a while, getting ever more effective. Note that the alternative candidate in the recent election was also subservient to the owner class, just to a somewhat different part of it and perhaps to somewhat lower extent.
I think highlighting these processes is crucial because the solutions are actionable and efficient. It’s very unlikely for us to be able to get the majority of any society to be able to spend the time needed and have the mental tools needed to arrive at factual conclusions from sifting through the (corporate) media firehouse. I don’t think it’s ever been achieved. Removing private money from politics and media is possible and has been done before.
The US chose for more money to mega corps and the ultra rich.
we never had a choice for anything different.
Yet out of the 2 bad options, you chose the one which is the worst by a landslide.
Does that make you feel better, running around telling random people they voted wrong, when you know nothing about who they voted for or whether they voted at all?
He didn’t get reelected by people who support the rich, he got reelected by people who want to push people who they feel are below themselves further down. They think Trump will do that for them, not to them. They think he is simultaneously rich and in their side. They are willing to ignore any evidence to the contract because ‘he just needs to act that way as part of his plan, in the end he’s secretly on our side’… As the wolf openly eats the sheep to ‘keep up appearances’.
For some but for a lot, they are racist and sexist. Most people don’t even understand what their candidate stands for.
I see that the corporate owned media is sweating bullets.
Good.
Yeah theyre really crawling for appeal but that means they are afraid. I was really against violent actions like this but after seeing how effective it isni guess im also a radical leftist now instead of just a leftist. If they take the power away from thw people you have to take it back violently.
This is what I was trying to tell all ya pacifist bastards, the rich are cowards and only know the language of violence.
Yup i get it now. But in the spirit of being democratic and stating close to ohr roots we should vote on who gets “handled” next.
We already did.
trump already tried to have Congress and his vp murdered last time. And now he has a scotus ruling that he is immune to everything. And we have a military that has already made it clear they will “just follow orders”.
Reality is grim. The twist is romantic.
somemostIn an alternate universe, Joker is considered a hero because he killed the criminal and the corrupt while Batman allowed him to live. Joker, a hero against the system, the vigilante who is a vigilante and not just status quo, the vigilante the city needed but not the one it deserved. The Joker movie could set a pretty sweet alternate universe.
Have you watched the Harley Quinn animated series?
Childhood is when you idolize Batman, adulthood is when you realize that cheese is very expensive.
I’d say it’s grimmer that some people feel sorry for the CEO.
Grim isn’t the word I would use.
In a report this week, the institute found that of the top 10 most-engaged posts on X about the shooting on Wednesday, six “either expressed explicit or implicit support for the killing or denigrated the victim.” The dynamic is similar to the discourse that often emerges after a mass shooting on websites like 4chan and 8chan, where perpetrators of extreme violence become memes themselves, Mr. Goldenberg said, “but what’s disturbing about this is it’s mainstream.”
Get fucked neo-liberal media. What an isane gaslighting comparision. This was a targeted assasination. Are you now afraid that people direct their anger at the sources of it, rather than the peasants killing each other?
What were the four other posts? CEOs going “Actually, murdering me would be bad.”?
Grim
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