I mean in America but also possibly worldwide with all the bullshit lately
I’ve put to rest any hopes that I’ve ever had about Americans ever staging a revolution for the righteousness of the people. It’s clear as day, as to how many millions of Americans that are out there, that openly endorsed fascism to reign supreme. That, the opposition would have more of an uphill battle on their hands than they thought.
I was hopeful in 2004, but nothing happened. I was hopeful when Occupy Wallstreet was a thing, but nothing happened. I was hopeful in 2020 when retail stores left and right were exploiting their workers and price gouging, but nothing happened. I was hopeful when the Israel-Gaza conflict started, but nothing happened. I was hopeful with January 6th 2021, but nothing happened. I was hopeful a month ago, but nothing happened. There’s many more examples but those were off the top of my head.
I am fucking tired of it and I’m done hoping.
I’m there with you, but I’ll addendum. So many people couldn’t be faffed to show up to vote. I keep seeing so much about “rising up” and staging a revolution. If they can’t be bothered to show up to circle in a bubble on a piece of paper, I’m not going to expect them to do fuck all when shit actually hits the fan.
If you hear David Graeber talk about it, the IMF and the World Bank’s power was shattered after occupy, countries weren’t willing to accept their terms anymore because the word was out that leaders who did that were selling out their own people. Things changed, but there are powerful hegemonic forces at work that work to stop us from hearing about it. They want us to believe we are powerless.
Just because you didn’t storm the bastille yet doesn’t mean nothing is being done. Most direct action is on the ground and invisible. That’s why it looks like decades pass with nothing happening, then overnight everything changes.
Only if you are buying guns.
If you’re talking about yesterday’s events being the start? I don’t believe so. Very few people in the US have so little to lose and still a lack of collectivism that they would not be willing to give up their life for a chance to improve things for everyone.
HOWEVER, this event may open people’s eyes to look at each other and realize culture wars are a distraction, the wealthy are the ones after our ability to sustain ourselves, not immigrants, trans people, rural people, urban people, or religious people, conservative or liberal etc.
Violence is an option, but it doesn’t have to be this way. We saw it got Anthem to reverse course, but I’m certain the same thing would happen if everyone switched away from Anthem at the same time during this open enrollment period.
If this doesn’t spur the beginning of a mindset towards collective action, we will be left waiting until the next high-profile murder. Again the solution doesn’t have to be violent with guillotines and the whole 9 yards, but organize organize organize into a movement and change can happen when y’all put aside differences and do it together. Modern society going so fast has made everyone perpetually tired and makes it hard to wield their share of power. Still there is immense power in numbers and it is up to us to use it for good. An unbreakable bond between people can’t be defeated no matter what the billionaire class may spend to try to discredit it.
I’m certain the same thing would happen if everyone switched away from Anthem at the same time during this open enrollment period.
Respectfully, how many people even have that option? I have a choice between two plans at one company. My wife has two or three more options through her job, also through the same company. We can’t even get ACA because we have insurance offered through work.
The only way for us to leave our insurance company is to change jobs or just go without insurance (which you don’t get any extra money for to offset the cost).
The system is set up in such a way that we can’t make meaningful collective choices. I’m not condoning murder, but they’ve deliberately left us with few opportunities to vote with our wallets. It’s little wonder someone got creative about messaging.
The system is set up in such a way that we can’t make meaningful collective choices
It’s also set up to make it incredibly difficult to be self-employed. Tying lifesaving medical procedures to corporate servitude ensures that the vast majority of people have no choice but to go work for the wealthy.
Lone wolfs are lone.
Unorganized chaos v a movement with leadership easily targeted.
People with nothing left to lose are not just those the public has normally ostracized. They include very intelligent, very motivated people.
It only takes one person to act.
Revolution often doesn’t involve the moderate or uninformed.
When the power elite have no idea from where or when they might be deposed, that could be a much more powerful tool than an uprising easily suppressed by jack boots and tear gas.
We’ll probably see a massive push of identity politics or some other distraction from the media again, like happened after occupy wall street.
American uniparty propaganda already has people believing Trump is a freedom fighter who’s going to dismantle the deep state or a fascist who will make himself dictator for life. It’s effectiveness is truly amazing.
I hope I’m wrong though.
Given that the French tend to declare a revolution over fairly trivial things, I agree.
Wee wee
No. The French people are not desperate, they have too much to lose
French politics is always on the brink and the French public are almost always protesting. I’m not sure their revolution ever really stopped.
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The French have healthcare
Probably because guillotines are still recent history. As soon as the poor realize there are more of us than there are of them and DO something about it, we win.
Bourgeois revolutions are a thing of the past. They already won their property, now they will have to defend it. We either get proletarian revolution or fascism at this stage.
In that we murder a bunch of people, other folks weaponize the mob to murder specific people so as to take their stuff, eventually descending into a situation so bad that we appoint a successful general as a dictator?
Maybe?
Napoleon wasn’t “appointed” as dictator by any legitimate government or by the people. He overthrew the Directory and the Constitution of Year III and made himself the dictator.
There was a genuinely cool French revolution in paris once. Hopefully we can emulate that one without the whole getting slaughtered like dogs in the street part
Are you talking about the Paris Commune?
I don’t know much about it but I know they put back the French republican calendar while they had control over the city, which I think was pretty cool.
Indeed, the Paris commune was the first proletarian revolution and the origin of the red flag.
You will know when you hear the wooden clogs.
I don’t think so.
For one, the revolutionary sentiment isn’t nearly as widespread as it was in 18th century France. Yes, it’s true that many people are discontent with the current economic and political situation but the difference is that 250 years ago, the only outlet for discontent available to common people was to revolt, whereas in the United States and other Western democracies, a second option exists: the democratic political institutions. What this really means is that the right of suffrage and of elections has really sucked a lot of the will to revolt from the populace; it’s easier to get what you want by participating in the democratic process than by revolting, or at least that’s what a lot of people think.
In order for a revolution to start, you need to hit a critical mass of angry people motivated enough to risk everything to overthrow the system. The presence of democratic institutions like elections and referendums changes the maths and it makes it harder to convince people that they need to revolt in order to get what they want. In turn, it tends to mean that well-established democracies really aren’t prone to violent revolutions from the bottom of the sort that topple totalitarian governments. Rather, the primary threat to democratic states actually comes from the top—that the people in charge will try to exceed their mandate of power and take over the government.
that the people in charge will try to exceed their mandate of power and take over the government.
This is actively happening. They’ve been exceeding their boundaries, and violating the constitution for decades now.
I think you underestimate how many people feel lost since we elected the orange asshole again.
Lost, yes. Ready to risk everything trying to overthrow the Government, not so much. There’s a reason we remember 6th January 2021 and not 6th January 2017.
We’ve been given bread and circuses in a way they didn’t have.
