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Hot take: If I get the actual MP4/MKV/whatever, I don’t actually care about this and think it might be a good thing, hell, I might actually purchase a couple movies and TV shows through it.
If it’s just the same “license” that everywhere else gets you, then I ain’t buying shit.
Search your feelings, you know the truth.
Exactly, there’s no way the studios are going to let them sell actual ownership.
I don’t know how it would even be possible with media files (since people know how trivial it is to relocate those) but I would actually be perfectly fine with a “license” if it used something akin to the GoG/GOO DRM model.
For those not aware, the gist of those kinds of DRM is that you authenticate with a server to get access to the file. The file may or may not be sent encrypted and then locally decrypted. After that, there is no DRM until you want a new version and you can copy it anywhere you want.
Unlike most here, I don’t mind buying my media. Hell, I generally prefer it since I don’t care enough to find a private tracker (and am not looking for that smoke on movies/tv…) and like having a proper 4k/hdr/whatever rip with whatever audio tracks I feel like ripping. Same with extras and so forth. With studios increasingly realizing they don’t want physical media to cannibalize their service, we get nonsense of “Well… we might get Andor on blu-ray some day but, until then, enjoy a highly compressed and crushed version of what may be the greatest single season of TV ever made”
Theoretically, the various VOD services avoid that but… you still get the same shitty streamed copy for the vast majority. If I can get a proper 4k release that contains HDR data, actual 5.1 sound, and so forth for a reasonable price? Stick it in my veins!
Yeah, but there is no way in hell they somehow convinced movie studios to let us have drm-free files. It would be amazing but I can’t see it happening.
They could stick to public domain & indie titles. They won’t, but they could.
If a storefront starts making people pay money for public domain movie files I am becoming a terrorist.
It would be a nominal charge for storage, bandwidth, and indexing. Book stores carry public-domain titles, for profit, and most have no issue with that. You can always procure the same files somewhere else—they are public domain, after all. Those who pay are doing so for the convenience, not because they’re forced to.
I can’t hear you over the dastardly bubbling of my nefarious cauldron where I am brewing vile elixers.
Ahhhh, So this is why they’re really cracking down on banning plex shares.
Source?
Oh hey! Actually I did find a news article. I was curious if I could https://medium.com/@divitia/what-are-plex-shares-why-they-were-banned-f5a43735ffbb
Edit. Just finished reading it… Eh… “News” might be a bit of a stretch for the article.
Ahhh… Yeah definitely a bad idea to advertise you’re breaking the TOS on a public website
I mean the source I have is not really particularly great, Just my first hand account and what I was told about why we were moving to a different system. It was just that I was part of a plex share where all of us were getting banned for it being associated with the the Plex share. So the plex share moved over to using emby.
Thanks, that’s fair. I share my Plex with about five people who use it often but I’m waiting for the day it goes away.
I missed that news. What’s happening?
Our plex share had to move over to emby. And then they were kind of going through in systematically banning people. So a lot of people just got banned for pirated content.
🤣🤣
Time to move to jellyfin I guess.
I know plex has some features that jellyfin doesnt, but it was time few years ago, at least for me
Then again, with Jellyfin you don’t have to pay for hardware transcoding. That is the one that really bothered me. It seems insane you’d have to pay to properly utilize your own hardware.
Can’t you just hide the paid movies/tv tab? Or is it a principle thing
Is jellyfin better? I’d never heard of it 'til now
the idea of signing up at plex is somewhat antithetical to a lot of selfhosters… theres nothing plex is doing that cant be done for free with better software.
To be fair that’s a pretty recent development. Jellyfin apps for smart tvs are only just becoming stable enough for real use. Plex was the only option for a long time.
There’s always the software Jellyfin was forked from: Emby.
It does have a paid model to support development, but with single-purchase lifetime options instead of requiring a monthly subscription.
I’ve been quite happy with it for the last 7 years. Their apps are pretty stable, hardware accelerated transcoding works great, it does a great job identifying content then managing/fetching metadata, and the developers and their community are responsive and helpful.
I never messed with Plex but Jellyfin is pretty easy to muss with so it’s definitely worth giving it go.
Jellyfin is FOSS as well, I assume Plex isn’t since it’s doing…all this. lol
Jellyfin is great and open source. I’ve never tried Plex, but I’ve heard that Plex has apps on more platforms.
Also, I’d recommend checking out Findroid if your on Android. Its UI is native instead of the usual web interface in the official apps. Iirc iOS has a similar project.
Plex is definitely more user friendly. I would like to try Jellyfin again but I host Plex for my parents back home and I don’t want to troubleshoot Jellyfin internationally when I know they can just install Plex and log in on their devices and I don’t have to deal with it.
Definitely different strokes for different folks but I understand Lemmy is very big on FOSS so it’s no surprise Jellyfin has such a positive following here.
Ultimately I’m glad to have options regardless.
Why can’t your parents just login to JellyFin and browse from their profile? I don’t really see what extra work would be required on their end?
Does Jellyfin have you open the app, type in a 4 character code, and then just work? I’m assuming it doesn’t. So that is why.
If Jellyfin requires any more effort than that - EVEN if it’s simply entering a username and password with a TV remote, that is extra work.
It’s a 6 digit code.
https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/server/quick-connect/
But I’ve never used it so it may be more complicated to setup? Worth looking into for sure.
Ah, thanks. I’ve been considering installing it on my Plex server so I can evaluate it but I have no issues with Plex whatsoever. But yes them getting bigger means more chances for things to get bad.
The biggest problem with Plex (I’m a user) is that you need a network connection just to use it with your local media unless you do a little research to figure out how to bypass this. Why is this a problem? You don’t notice it until there’s a network outage and you want to watch something. Or if the Plex servers are glitching. It’s needlessly complicating the process of watching your media.
Not really sure what you’re getting at here. I’ve had a network outage for the past 2 days and was able to watch stuff on my local NAS just fine. I haven’t done anything special to make it do that.
I believe what they’re getting at is an issue if they’re not already authenticated prior to the outage. Then they’d have no access to their media unless they look into the workaround for that beforehand. It has been an issue in the past, especially when Plex’s auth servers go down. I remember plenty of Reddit threads complaining about it.
Ehhhhhh. I don’t think anyone expects to be setting up their Plex server with an Internet outage. As long as you have been setup prior and you lose Internet you can still log in with the last local profile you used. It’s not perfect but you’re not locked out. No workaround (at this point in time) is necessary, assuming you’ve already authed and added your server to your “whatever” device.
And ultimately you just keep Kodi for the apocalypse. This complaint about “not being able to access your media” if the internet is out is misleading. Of course you can access your media if the internet is out, it just might not necessarily be with Plex which is ultimately an online service. Sure we can call it a limitation but that’s just nit-picking since most everyone has their Internet up almost all the time, offline does work, and there’s plenty of other ways to access your media.
Depending on your server, and how you install you might have a bad experience. I’ve had issues where it wasn’t finding the film/series metadata, having plugin issues, and being incredibly slow (slow UI when anything is being done, slow scanning folders, slow loading saved metadata, etc). Jellyfin, like a lot of open source software, feels like jank. The devs know about a lot of issues, but they’re swamped with so much, with this big of a project.
People criticise Plex, rightfully so with some of their bad decisions, but it still works better. For me, Plex runs so much better, and without issues. I won’t be moving away to Jellyfin in the foreseeable future, but I’ll be glad when I am able to.
Does Jellyfin have a PlexAmp equivalent?
Yes, finamp. I have it installed. I haven’t tried it.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.unicornsonlsd.finamp
I’m gonna hold off switching for as long as possible. This looks like it’s not even close to PlexAmp. I mostly use artist stations and the DJ features. This just looks like it only plays albums or manual playlist.
It’s similar in name only though. Plexamp has a lot of great features that this one is missing.
You know…
For lemmy being so dead set on replacing everything propietary with (F)OSS they are really firm on only using/stayung with Plex and pay a 100$ for their pass instead of things like Jellyfin…I use emby Plex and jellyfin. Plex just started it all so that’s where my library began. It’s clean and everything looks good. It will take me considerable time to migrate off it. I also paid 75$ for it in 2014, so I think that makes my point.
Jellyfin has always been on the back burner as a to-do, because I’m a huge advocate for open source.
I’m too lazy to get a DNS name pointed at my home server and setup the reverse proxy to get jellyfin publicly accessible
And then hope that I did it securely
I share Plex with friends
Here, friend. Plex will send you an invite, use it on whatever device you have because it probably supports Plex
I share jellyfin with friends
Now download this app, no that one…no this one. Why does this one not work . What do you mean it doesn’t exist. Now you need my help getting you going…
Sorry, Jellyfin is great if tech people but I run a Plex server so I don’t HAVE to help anyone anymore.
Hey friend,
the domain is: https://jellyfin.domain.comYour credentials are:
Username: Friend
Pw:***********To watch search “Jellyfin” on the playstore or visit this link:
Link to playstore
Link to Windows JMPHave fun.
Sorry but those are at best comfortable excuses of moving dependencies to another platform.
At most you’d need to train them on how to the same as before.
The only issue I’d seen so far were playback issues with non-standard encodings (audio codecs for example) and playback devices unable to work with whats reported…
But this is one of the rare uglies I have seen so far.no tv app what do you mean no tv app i mean no tv app
you’ve lost them at this point unless you literally do everything for them first
I originally setup Plex and was immediately unhapy with their always online model as well as really poor support on their forums.
Pretty quickly moved to Emby and have been happy since (7 years). It’s not FOSS but it’s not locked down nearly as much as Plex, and they have a focus on keeping your info within your own systems. No telemetry.
I don’t mind paying a bit to support development, especially when they offer lifetime options instead of being stuck with a monthly subscription.
Jellyfin has branched out more into niche features like watch parties, leaaving some stability to be desired. Especially with apps like smart TVs. Emby has focused more on its core reliability across all platforms, comming up with a product that’s nice and stable pretty much everywhere.
Jellyfin was a fork of Emby when Emby went closed source as users kept removing the paywalls for premium features. Development time isn’t free; that’s not sustainable for a fulltime dev. Since, Jellyfin has barely kept up, lacking the resources/funding to really flesh out their code. (hell, ~75% is still embys code AFAIK)
Regarding free dev time: Donations can be made as a means to thabk and compensate the project.
Yeah, but relying on peoples generosity is less than ideal unfortunately…
On the other hand; when you’ve got to pay to use a product, you’re a bit more entitled to its use and support than a free project that gets worked on at the devs leisure. Especially when the developers maintain that same view.
It’s a fine line between securing stable income for your efforts while not limiting the usage of your products. I think Embys developers have done a pretty good job keeping that balance. I’ve certainly never had an issue with the activation and use of premium features, and the licence I bought 7 years ago has held excellent value. I’ve just been waiting on some funds to donate ontop as I feel I’ve gotten more than I’ve paid for.
Not me. I set up my server last November and tried Plex. It reminded me too much of too many services starting to lose their way. Given recent events it looks like I was right. We use Kodi because my partner prefers it, but I really like Jellyfin myself. It was a learning process but really only took two or three hours with research time to set up. Costs me nothing and I don’t have any ads, upselling, or any other BS that will eventually turn into more extreme attrition.
Plex is definitely trying to monetize and I am wary of how they will reconcile all of the discount lifetime passes that were sold over the years
But I still think it is “good”. Yes, they are adding in hooks for different services and are technically a service of their own (every month there is a “free” movie they offer that I tell myself I will watch and then I never do). But all of that can pretty easily be hidden if I just want access to my library and the libraries of my friends. Its very much a case where the extra features are not getting in the way of the core functionality.
I have “see if jellyfin is viable” on my todo list and have been checking in for years now. Basically every time I do it is “This looks better than it used to be but X or Y is still a headache”. Hopefully that will change if/when Plex shits the bed. But they haven’t so it isn’t really a concern for me.
It wouldn’t be so bad if you could buy and actually own
Things like this are why I am mostly glad to still be using xbmc on my original hacked Xbox. Not much space and I have to deal with FTP, but it still works a treat.
