Context: I’m a second year medical student and currently residing in the deepest pit in the valley of the Dunning-Kruger graph, but am still constantly frustrated and infuriated with the push for introducing AI for quasi-self-diagnosis and loosening restrictions on inadequately educated providers like NP’s from the for-profit “schools”.

So, anyone else in a similar spot where you think you’re kinda dumb, but you know you’re still smarter than robots and people at the peak of the Dunning-Kruger graph in your field?

  • Paragone@lemmy.world
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    I am a person whose parents were medical-professionals, whose dad was a medical-researcher & doctor.

    I have been gaslit by doctors all my life.

    IF diagnosis IS evidence-based decision-tree,

    THEN an expert-system can do it, without the bias of human-doctors.

    However…

    IF diagnosis ISN’T evidence-based decision-tree,

    THEN authority-based-medicine is the only valid medicine, as doctors hold to be true, while claiming that their authority-based medicine is “evidence based” medicine.

    I’m not the only person to have noted that doctors don’t allow evidence-based medicine to threaten authority-based medicine:

    https://www.edge.org/response-detail/25433

    That article got turned into a chapter in the book, edited by John Brockman, “This Idea Must Die”.

    ( I do not agree with all the articles in that book, but that particular one is both right & too-soft )


    EITHER Davidson’s & Harrison’s Medicine textbooks are valid basis for diagnosis, in which case an expert-system MUST be capable of doing objectively-valid diagnosis,

    https://www.amazon.com/Davidsons-Principles-Practice-Medicine-Penman/dp/070208347X/

    https://www.amazon.com/Harrisons-Principles-Internal-Medicine-Twenty-First/dp/1264268505/

    XOR doctor-authority has some “special non-deterministic magic/sorcery” that an expert-system cannot replicate.

    There IS no escape from logic & fact.


    PS: you can read the Residency subreddit to see an ocean of evidence for medical-residency being a year-long identity-forming hazing-ritual, as it objectively damages doctor-learning, doctor-performance, doctor-health, doctor-empathy ( iirc there are several PubMed items on that one ), etc, yet it is still being enforced, in spite of how it measurably produces opposite-to-claimed changes.

    You can also read how the researchers Logan, King, & Fischer-Wright discovered that doctor-culture is the exemplar of narcissitic-culture, and gave the simple test that there was only 1 hospital ( when they wrote their simplified-language-for-business-people book “Tribal Leadership”, to cause change ) in the US which didn’t have narcissistic-culture ruling it:

    https://www.amazon.com/Tribal-Leadership-Leveraging-Thriving-Organization/dp/0061251321/

    Walk into any hospital, & see if human-validity/human-dignity has been sooo eradicated from the lower staff, that they consistently won’t meet your gaze, as a professional entering the hospital.

    I forget the name of the hospital which had demonstrated that human-validity CAN live below doctors, but their research earned much from that particular one.


    Of course, for anyone to accept the points I raise, would require that they hold-to evidence-based knowing, instead of authority-based-“knowing”, wouldn’t it?

    Feel free to downvote me to oblivion, for my testable-facts.

    PPS: I’m not attacking you, I am attacking an ideology-addiction/prejudice-addicion in the culture you are being indoctrinated into embodying.

    There is a book “Doctored” on the disillusionment of an American physician, and there are many, many, many, books out now, on different aspects of the ideology/prejudice that Western Medicine has become, including perhaps “Money-Driven Medicine”, “In Shock”, and others whose names I don’t happen to remember this moment.

    I wish I somehow had the leverage to make Western Medicine become evidence-based medicine, but that would require supernatural-powers, at this point.

    It would certainly be healthier for the people in Western Medicine.

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