Hey everyone, I’m new to Lemmy and just starting to figure this site out. I mainly moved here because of the censorship on Reddit where they didn’t publish posts that included the slightest word not allowed by their filter and they removed/blocked lots of content. I wonder if it will be somewhat better here (on the official site it says “Censorship resistant - By hosting your own server, you can be in full control of your content.”).
The weird thing I saw with Lemmy was when I wanted to sign-up on the “lemmy.ml” server instance that according to the official Lemmy Servers listing page is a “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers”.
So I thought I try that one when it’s from Lemmy’s own developers. When I wanted to sign-up it required an application that you needed to fill out with one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism” which I thought was very odd for a site to do. I’ve never seen a site like this promoting some ideology that directly where it’s part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.
This seemed very sketchy to me. Does anyone know something about this?
I wonder if it will be somewhat better here.
If you host your own instance, you have complete control over what gets posted. If not, you have to follow your instance’s rules.
one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism” which I thought was very odd for a site to do.
That’s just basic bot detection, like a captcha. Karl Marx’s works are out of copyright, and Lemmy’s lead developer is a communist, hence the choice.
it’s part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.
In general, instances don’t expect you to agree with their mods on politics or religion, but the content hosted on that instance would be somewhat biased towards the mods’ tastes. So you go from lemmygrad (far-left) to lemmy.ml (centre-left) to lemm.ee (centrist) to shitjustworks (centre-right) to lemmy.world (right-wing). Personally I’d avoid the first and last, but it’s up to each person to decide what’s right for them.
Is lemmy.world particularly right-wing? It seemed mostly shitty liberal from what I’d noticed, thought admittedly I don’t actually pay much attention to people’s instances
They referred to ML as “centre-left”, so their perception is obviously very skewed.
…fair enough, missed that
Liberals are pro-capitalist, which inherently makes them right wing. American politics would have you believe otherwise, but American politics are severely skewed to make the populace accept the dominance and power of capital as an unassailable truth.
.world also makes a habit of denying ongoing genocides and shutting down any criticism of the parties involved in said genocides. Many of their users go out of their way to shit on left-wing instances and deride anyone left of them as a tankie.
Not to mention the sheer volume of woman bashing I’ve witnessed in gender-related threads.
So, all that considered, I think it’s perfectly fair to consider them right wing.
The fact that each instance can have its own rules and culture is f a b. I love that’s one of the criteria. Mander.xyz should have a ‘identify all the creatures from the Triassic’ image captcha.
I don’t know how to set up a specific image captcha, but I like that idea! I have added that to the registration form 😛
lemmy was made by communists. if you don’t like it go back to reddit.
I suspect the devs wouldn’t even agree with this take.
Edit: really? They’d rather everyone align with their views 100% or fuck off to reddit? Why even make something like lemmy then?
C’mon dude, they just asked you to copy a quote from the Capital, not to recite a whole brochure with the latest analysis on imperialism. And/or swear by it,
It is the most basic common ground for every left wing person and a monumental text in modern Western literacy.
Most people I would care to discuss with should have a basic understanding of what is written in there, and I believe it is the same for people running their own instance.
If you take such a vehement stance against “quoting” Das Kapital, then you probably you lie so much off center that I would personally could have no productive discussion with you.
I mean, even the notion that this is some kind of pledge of allegiance is suspicious enough in its own sake, like letting us on you believe leftists are somehow indoctrinated[^1]. I you weren’t a little removed about Das Kapital you could even subvert the text by quoting something out of context so that it says something unintended by the authors.
But indeed, if you are turned off by this playful screening question, then it only shows that such screening serves its purpose most effectively.
[1]: To be frank lemmy.ml does not even defederate neoliberal instances, so perhaps there is a paradigm shift for you right there.
How about freaking No!
Lemmy might be written by communists, but nothing stops you using it on an instance that is not.
Also, there’s other threadiverse apps out there that work fine with the federated network if you really don’t want to use one created by “communists”
I don’t think making this place a total echo chamber, by telling people to “go back to reddit” is in any way a good thing.
Freakin epic bacon sauce.
Censorship still exists in lemmy. I got banned from an instance just because I said some things that weren’t aligning with far left ideas. I was one of the active members of that instance (we were very few) on non political communities.
I made a political post and one of the administrators wasn’t OK with it and started insulting me and then banned me from the whole instance.
sounds like someone’s a nazi~
it’s not sketchy, it’s basically a captcha to keep down automated bot sign ups, and they link to that document in particular, i assume, because the devs are marxists and figure folks who are vehemently anti-communist would refuse and thus keep down their moderation load.
The most correct answer here honestly.
The original developers of Lemmy are communists who were seeking to create a social media space that would be free from corporate censorship and centralization. When they created ml, they decided to have it be geared towards communists and leftists as their specific flavor of the Lemmy community, because that is what interested them.
If you are looking for a less political and more general instance, I’d recommend:
lemmy.world
sh.itjust.works
lemmy.dbzero.comVery interesting, thanks for the reply. I signed-up on lemm.ee since that’s the 2nd biggest instance on their list. Is this a good server as well? (The description here says: “General-purpose Lemmy instance. New users and communities welcome!”)
Yeah, that’s a good one. Honestly, at the end of the day, it matters more what communities you follow than what instance you are on.
But what communities are available to you depends on which instance you picked. Right?
Technically yes, but in practice for any of the big instances, not really.
I still see all the communities I want from SJW: local, dot world, dot ml, lemm.ee, etc
Exception is Beehaw because they defederated us but they also deferedated Lemmy.world too so they’ve already cut themselves from most users. I have an acct there anyway but don’t feel the need to check it much anymore.
Edit: another notable example is Lemmy.world won’t allow federating with any communities focusing on piracy.
Edit2: why downvote this? Am I incorrect?
Wrong. You can subscribe to any community from any instance that is federated with yours, and it will show up in your feed. Once one person has subscribed to an outside community, it will start to appear under All in your home instance as well. If you pick a home instance that is federated with most of the others, then you essentially can see everything you would feasibly want to see.
I am subscribed to communities all over the Fediverse.
Yeah, because they are all part of their respective instances and those instances (de)federate with each other. ml and ee are both good for that purpose. My own instance is bad for that purpose, but after spending some time on a more mainstream instance, I decided this was better for my mental health.
Any instance whose rules you agree with is good. Picking a big one that’s not the biggest is a good call so good job.
Lemm.ee is less politically oriented than any of the 3 that were recommended, by the other user, but it’s lesd of an instance and more of a tool for interacting with other instances.
I understand lemmy.world, but I’m curious what makes you say that about the other two? Stricter defederation or something?
dbzer0 is an Anarchist-leaning instance, though it allows others. Sh.itjust.works has ncd and meanwhileongrad, which attracts pro-NATO and anti-Communist individuals, though the lean isn’t as strong as Lemmy.world and dbzer0 and as such there’s more variety there.
Thank you. I forgot about meanwhileongrad. That makes sense.
No problem!
Lemme.ee is fine. It wouldn’t hurt to have multiple accounts in different instances in case one goes down for maintenance so you can keep browsing. I recommend dbzero since they’re techy and don’t lean on politics as much as other instances.
It wouldn’t hurt to have multiple accounts in different instances in case one goes down for maintenance so you can keep browsing.
Grass? Never touch the stuff. Worms fuck in it.
I’ve been happy on lemme.ee for the fact that they didn’t get caught up in the defederation drama about a year ago, and that they’re mainly a neutral landing instance to go about interacting with other communities on other instances. Other instances will defederate with instances they disagree with, a form of censorship in itself, whereas the admins of lemm.ee leave it to you to block what you don’t want to see yourself.
Exactly why I like it here too. They really do let the user choose their own censorship limit.
All 3 of those are highly political instances, though. Lemmy.world is overwhelmingly liberal and enforces that bias, and dbzer0 is mostly Anarchists. Sh.itjust.works genuinely leans towards fascism thanks to dedication to anticommunism and full support for the Military Industrial Complex and NATO.
as I said in my other comment just now, no shitjustworks is barely mask on Nazi shit.
A lot of its users are full fash Nazis, lots of NATO stans and the meanwhileongrad crowd are omnipresent. I’ve seen some users treat the instance more like Lemm.ee, as a tool for interacting with the rest of the fediverse, but you’re right in that I immediately view anyone with a sh.itjust.works handle critically, and I’m in no way attempting to downplay the fascism from many users.
I’ll edit my comment, though, it’s important for others to know that the most overt right-wing fascists generally hang out there even if some users appear okay at a surface level.
And leans towards eating lots of glitter. At least in my experience.
😂
dbzer0 are western techbros predominantly; that’s infinitely worse than just white anarchism imo. Computer touchers, AI theftbox molesters, and shills for Youtube Red.
Yea, I agree in general, though some few of the users are okay from what I’ve seen over on Hexbear. The site interests absolutely attract the techbro-anarchist style that just doesn’t have any solid background in theory and just serves petty-bourgeois individualist thinking that Lenin had to fight against his whole life.
lmfao dbzero terms of service is literally to follow the anarchist COC, hosts Lefty memes, and one of the largest anarchist communities.
World is peak neoliberal, has a stupid media bias bot calibrated for neoliberal positions as centrist, and is explicitly aligned with the USA in law and ethos.
Shitjustworks is similar to world but Canadian.
Life is political and people hosting online communities have ideologies. Shock horror I know. An ideology being invisible to you because you are raised in it does not make it any less explicit.
An ideology being invisible to you because you are raised in it does not make it any less explicit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemonyAnd invisible ideology in the imperial core today is zombie neoliberalism.
Shitjustworks
shitjustworks is actually worse than .world. They are an actually crypto-fascist instance judging by the events the preceded our defederation with them. world is just slightly less fascistic but when it comes down to it liberalism and fascism are careening toward another singularity like what happened with the rise of the third reich in the thirties as liberals predictably treat fascists more favorably than communists.
They are an actually crypto-fascist instance judging by the events the preceded our defederation with them
Crypto-fascists?! The hell did I miss?
brazenly transphobic, anticommunist, and white supremacist tendancies abound on that instance.
Like even moreso than .world
The level of censorship is going to be different depending on your instance and where you are posting to. A lot of instances are managed by individuals or small teams out of passion. They can do as they please and don’t have to pander to everyone for commercial appeal like Reddit or Tumblr. If someone doesn’t like what they’re doing they can join a different instance or create their own.
Instances can defederate from each other over these differences. A lot are defederated from the instance Exploding Heads because of their alt right content for example. From what I understand you can also report content to the administrators of your instance if it goes against their rules and I think they can remove it from appearing on your instance (or block the user that posted it). This isn’t going to stop it from appearing elsewhere.
I also wouldn’t say it’s sketchy. It’s just the overall political leaning of a lot of Lemmy is relatively left leaning and having those measures in place kind of demonstrates the vibe the instance is trying to create.
Welcome. Admins and mods of every instance, not just ml are very trigger happy to enforce their opinion. Going as far as fully disabling users accounts. Not by using an automatic word filter though.
Each instance has different political opinions you need to agree with. This one likes communism. Upside is no email verification required, so it is very private.
Lemmy is much more wild west than moden Reddit. Similar to old Reddit. Enjoy the ride.
As the internet should be.
Welcome to the Fediverse! Somebody has probably told you this, but I just realized that I forgot to hit “Post” before I went to dinner. Here it is anyways.
When I wanted to sign-up it required an application that you needed to fill out with one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism” which I thought was very odd for a site to do. I’ve never seen a site like this promoting some ideology that directly where it’s part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.
The applications and copying of a particular line is a simple form of spam prevention. The fact that the line is from “The Principles of Communism" is probably because the owners of that particular instance (who are also the main developers) are communist. I believe they also run Lemmygrad, which is full on Marxist, and one of the more commonly blocked instances. Lemmy.ml is intended to be a more mainstream instance but like much of the Fedi leans hard left.
I mainly moved here because of the censorship on Reddit where they didn’t publish posts that included the slightest word not allowed by their filter and they removed/blocked lots of content. I wonder if it will be somewhat better here
Lemmy is censorship resistant, but not censorship free. There is a difference. Censorship (or moderation, depending on your view point) happens at 3 levels, user, community, and instance. You can’t do much if other users find you obnoxious and decide to block you, but if you find the moderation of a community to be over bearing and if your current instance allows, you can create your own community from your current instance and mod it how you see fit within the guidelines of your instance. If you find your instance’s moderation to be overbearing, you can create your own instance and moderate it however you see fit. However, you will still be subject to the moderation policies of the communities (and their home instances) that you subscribe to.
In the Fedi you have absolute freedom of speech, but nobody is required to give you a soapbox or megaphone and nobody is required to listen to you.
.ml is treated as a bit of a bogeyman around here - most of my interactions with their instance and users has been good. I realise this could be different for others. But, yes, they are Marxist-Leninist so, obviously, their opinions and content will be closely aligned with their political philosophy. In my personal opinion and experience .world seems to have vacuumed-up a tremendous amount of people from the other site you mentioned (Robbit?). Their netiquette seems to have not changed. Also, myself and some others have noticed that on .world it’s not unusual to see comments that express views from outside what the majority believe get deleted. Fortunately the “mod logs” are public record so you can see why comments were deleted, whom by and what the original post/comment was. (I guess with the exception of illegal content that has to be scrubbed) I hope you enjoy your time here. Welcome.
(I guess with the exception of illegal content that has to be scrubbed)
Correct. There is a “purge” feature, but I’ve not yet had to resort such measures after several months of admining.
Thank you (and your fellow admins) for all you do and the time you sacrifice. It is appreciated, by me at least. I don’t even want to consider what vile obscenity you run the risk of exposing yourselves to and I’m happy you’ve not yet had to purge anything; but there’s some sick individuals out there and I’m glad you’re a bulwark against that.
Because dessalines is legit in competition for the most cringe person on the internet.
Thank you for posting, OP.
I was thinking about making an account here. Saw this and made one here, to see how the instance would feel like.
Censorship resistant - By hosting your own server, you can be in full control of your content.").
Yes, exactly, you can host your own or sign up at one someone’s already hosts. The resistance is in the ability to choose which admins you trust and align with your views while still interacting with the rest of us.
The devs run their own and have their own rules and censorship but you don’t have to sign up there. Does that help?
Helps a lot, thanks for your answer!
If you have an email address, you’re already used to the federated service pattern. When you sign up for a gmail, you’re making an account with Google to be able to send emails to anyone else with an email address. And there’s nothing stopping Google from making you fill out a “sketchy” application to get an account.
On Lemmy, each instance has its own set of rules, and if you don’t like them, you just make an account on a different instance.
As far as censorship, each “community” (analog to subreddit) lives on a certain instance and the rules of that instance apply.
Edit: also on the topic of communism, however you feel about communism in the physical world is irrelevant when it comes to the digital world. Free and Open Source Software makes the world go 'round, and is often communist in nature, even if done unintentionally. The pattern of people developing software for their own purposes, and then sharing it freely with others is the purest form of “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.” That said, running an instance isn’t free, so make sure to kick your instance a few bucks if you appreciate their work.
Okay but implying that a given instance is the main community for Lemmy by promoting that it’s run by Lemmy’s developers and then making people repeat phrases from the Communist Manifesto just to make an account ain’t exactly the best first impression to give, no?
If they’ve been trained to immediately recoil at the word “communism”, and don’t understand how federated moderation works, then yes, it’ll probably scare away a good number of users. But on the flip side it’s not a for-profit business trying to hook DAU using predatory and emotionally exploitative patterns, so who cares about first impressions? The people who use Lemmy know why they’re using it.
It’s not the context of the article, it’s the presumption of solemn affirmation as a requirement to entry that is agregious, no?
You’re just restating what OP said. I refer you to my original post.
Yeah, you’re discussing communism specifically. I have no beef with communism or any other political ideology. Except perhaps capitalism, I might have beef with that. Digressions aside, the ask could be for quoting an article about Spongebob Squarepants and I would have the same grievance. Can we discuss the action itself, without going into a discussion about communism?
If you don’t like SpongeBob, pick a different instance, that’s federation.
To me this is like having a problem with the flags someone else has in their yard. Not your yard, not your flags. You’re free to not like their flags, but if your grievance is with the action of them peacefully demonstrating free speech, that’s a you problem.
Sure, maybe that guy also happens to work at the flag factory down the street. Probably explains why he has so many flags. Doesn’t mean he’s going to make you put the same flags he likes in your yard.
Edit: for the record, I’m not downvoting you, I think you’ve been very reasonable in this discussion
I appreciate you addressing the downvoting; I had noticed the trend and it’s very easy to jump to the “I’m under a personal attack” conclusion.
While I believe 107% that each instance owner can do what they want; if this given instance is the first instance to which most people will be introduced, being the closest thing to an “official” instance, should they have a duty, or at the very least, an interest, in maximizing the inclusitivity of their community?
Main Lemmy devs are communist and aren’t shy to enforce their views, which gets reflected in their instance, lemmy.ml, which is considered to be fairly tankie.
However, as Lemmy is federated, you can join any other instance and view whatever interests you without having to recite political literature to sign up.
In fact, the most popular instance is actually lemmy.world, which is not politically affiliated; although it defederated from certain instances, which might make you feel limited. I found lemmy.today as a way to be connected with anything and everything, from Hexbear to Beehaw, to, well, Lemmy.world
There’s a list on GitHub of instances by most federation. It’s where I found mine.
Good option! Could you please share the link to the list if you still have one?
Sure, I’ll PM you.
For anyone else, it’s easy to find by search, but it feels like one of those things that could be ruined if it got too well-known.
Main Lemmy devs are communist and aren’t shy to enforce their views
Their evil enforcement, our righteous peace keeping.
In fact, the most popular instance is actually lemmy.world, which is not politically affiliated;
Being “apolitical” just means they’re neoliberal. Which tbh sounds perfect for OP.
Nah, I take similar issue with liberals who scream about their views everywhere, asked or not, and do their best to turn Lemmy into a place where politics (and, especially, American politics, as if it’s a country with 99% of Earth’s population) is everywhere. If Lemmy.world would ask people to recite Adam Smith, I’d absolutely be pissed.
For the record, I am communist, I just don’t want to be bombarded with politics at every corner and I refuse to analyze crochet through the prism of the class theory. It is possible to abstain from politics on .world, but it is often hard to escape on .ml (thankfully, Linux communities are generally neutral), or Hexbear (although it tries) or, Marx forbid, Lemmygrad, latter being a straight up shithole where politics is everything, people are as politically uniform as clones, and you can be banned for saying Stalin could be wrong in some of his decisions (I’m serious, it happened).
People need to have a place to relax and unwind, and endless political circlejerk is not a good environment for that. Politics is important, but not really when people just proclaim the same things over and over again as a form of leisure.
Nah, I take similar issue with liberals who scream about their views everywhere, asked or not, and do their best to turn Lemmy into a place where politics (and, especially, American politics, as if it’s a country with 99% of Earth’s population) is everywhere.
I doubt that; otherwise you’d be screaming at everyone, all of the time. Politics are life, life is politics; ESPECIALLY if you’re not white-- this whole bullshit sounds like exactly why I don’t organize with white “leftists”; 'cause you ain’t no damn comrade of mine with a take like that. I don’t get to just “opt out”. I walk down the street, it’s side-eyes from settlers over the melanin in my skin, side-eyes from settlers over the coarseness of my hair, side-eyes from settlers over the size of my lips and nose, side-eyes from settlers over why I’m even in their space when I lived here half my fuckin life.
I don’t get to opt out, so neither do fuckin you.
Well, believe it or not, I do take issue with this liberal pseudo-left everywhere. Big part of the reason I stopped following politics on Lemmy is because it’s mostly a uniform blob of liberals that consider themselves “the left”, and the actual left “tankies” and dangerous psycho radicals because most of their kin of “left” are American exceptionalists who really believe not being a fascist means you’re left now. And that took me a LOT of filter rules, not just unsubbing politics-related communities, to finally silence that shitflow.
We all are victims of the current political situation - some more, some less. Even trans folks, which are probably under the heaviest of fires right now, often prefer NOT to immerse themselves in the political debates and news more than it is required to merely survive - and that’s totally understandable, because when politics hits you heavy every day, some people need to take a breather. Don’t deny them that.
And me being white male doesn’t mean I’m free from any oppression. While you may experience more of it due to additional traits, such as you being black, that’s not alpha and omega of it, and the more we split, the less effective we are at uniting where we can and where it is equally if not more important - to fight for the working class. A black billionaire lives an infinitely better life than I do, and he does it by exploiting us all - white, black, male, female, nonbinary, cis and trans. That’s not to say racism isn’t real or some shit - a white billionaire would do even better - but there are many axis of oppression, and it’s not like you’re oppressed and I am not. Besides, I’m all for the demolition of racism, and while I could be less vigilant, I’m not much more tolerant to it.
There is no coming together with the settler when it is the settler in the way of my people’s liberation; and it’s frankly contemptuous that you think there somehow is. The state of race relations in this country is so positively abysmal that I would sooner put my faith in the Chinese than ever consider white Americans worth the time or effort expended. There is no ‘coming together’ with you and yours as long as we are unreparated and unliberated. You may as well just come out with it and say you feel you’re entitled to my camaraderie rather than trying to orate yourself around that particular elephant in the room; there’d be more dignity in it.
No, I’d rather say you have an extreme case of “race/gender over everything” mentality that permeates so many pretentiously left liberals among others.
I’m not a “settler”, I live where I was born, and I never (at least knowingly) discriminated against anyone on the basis of race. You seem to suggest that I owe you something for other people, for the severe oppression of the black people back in the days neither of us was even born, and for the milder (although very real) forms of it permeating today to which I hold no relation. I don’t have to reparate you anything, and I refuse to give you some special status you seem to feel entitled to; but if someone actively discriminates black people (or hispanic, or even whites for that matter - that is a thing in certain societies, world doesn’t end outside America), I am willing to take the side of the oppressed, and more people could join black liberation movement if you yourself wouldn’t piss everyone off.
If you, however, still want to be treated in some special way, I don’t need such camaraderie. You are either a comrade, an equal fighting alongside me (and me alongside you), or you’re not. And the most I can hope for is your realization that we have issues we both struggle with, and end this splintering of the left that makes us weak and useless, infighting over fighting our common enemy. At least the right are ready to unite, so…here we are. Enjoy the fruits of your personal liberation.
Damn, you’re not just a cracker but a dumbass too
No, I’d rather say you have an extreme case of “race/gender over everything”
I’m not a “settler”,
You seem to suggest that I owe you something for other people,
to which I hold no relation.
I don’t have to reparate you anything,
If you, however, still want to be treated like a princess, I don’t need such camaraderie.
You really hit the settler-leftist bingo with this one, no free space necessary. Every last thing you’ve said reeks of uninvestigated white supremacy; and I’d suggest self-crit if I believed for a half a second in your bonafides.
That said, thank you for justifying why I put more faith in AES than white leftism, justifying why I consider there to be no revolutionary potential in the western settler, and justifying why I will only ever organize with Black formations. You, and everyone like you can’t even bear to cop to the thread of history which your story is sewn in, let alone figure out how to rectify that state. This is exactly why I have no time, faith, or camaraderie for the white ‘left’.
As usual, we’ll have to get it our own damn selves, with you people constantly in our way. What I get for discoursing with people John Brown would’ve turned into a speed loader. And no, that you consider true, fully-reparated Black liberation to be 'Black supremacy exactly the same as the white variety", I fucking spit on you; and have no further interest humoring your eurofascist ass. I hope when they find you, it’s in shrapnel-studded pieces.
eat your hands you worthless fucking asshole
