• AidsKitty@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I really don’t like the censorship of speech from either side. People have a right to choose their own words and suffer the consequences for the words they choose.

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      I’m still not sure what it means, judging by the comments here it (murderer / terrorist etc) it does seem to be used as a slur. So yeah, using the definition instead would be useful.

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          I just told you I I’m not sure of the definition, so asking me what I think it means is pointless. Though I’m pretty sure it’s not a group you can join like ISIS, right?

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          They’re saying that in the same way terrorist is not always a slur but is used as a slur sometimes, Zionist can be used as a slur. 8 think it’s a fair take. It’s odd to specifically list Zionist as a contextual slur when you can just say no slurs.

          I don’t know if I fully agree but that’s their argument as I understand it.

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            If you refer to the Muslim man in the bomb vest as a terrorist its fine, if you refer to all muslim men as terrorists its a slur.

            Refering to Israeli generals and politicians as Zionists is fine, If you refer to all Jewish people as Zionists…

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              Nobody is referring as all Jews as zionists. Actually it’s zionists and Israel defender who want you to believe that anti zionism is anti Judaism

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              If you do something like refer to all white people or all Germans as Nazis then yeah, in that context it’s a slur. But just referring to members of the Nazi party, definitely not. Extreme far right folks, personally no, I don’t view it as a slur there. Some people may disagree (probably the extreme far right people being called Nazis).

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    Twitch has become garbage anyway. I’m more on Kick for streams nowadays.

    Anyway wasn’t “Zionist” suppose to be a good term for these murderers? Whether they make it a banable word, screw them. Those who defend Israel, their genocidal actions and claim that the land “belongs to them, the colonizers” are Zionists.

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      Even technologically Twitch has always been shit. For all the hate YT rightfully deserves, I’m kinda glad they just said “ok we do livestreaming now too” one day and it works so much better. Simply so I never have to use twitch ever again.

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        The issue with YouTube is, I don’t see many people on it to Stream (or I just don’t look in the right direction?). I barely to not use Twitch these days, sometimes Kick but that’s about it.

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      Twitch is garbage, so you moved to a platform ran by a gambling company, where rules practically don’t exist, and the majority of the userbase is vehemently sexist and racist? That’s a level of mental gymnastics I genuinely will never understand

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      All tech companies eventually enshitify and we would never be able to remember all of them if they all became slurs. Lol

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      It’s their goal. They want to conflate jewishness and israel because they need the world to be antisemitic.

      Otherwise people would just leave.

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      From the link of this post that you could have clicked on:

      Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”

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        but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”

        Yeah, how dare people try to demean someone just because they checks notes hold dehumanizing beliefs and support a government and movement bent on removing the people from their land so they can steal it and build new homes while ethnically cleansing the existing population.

        smh my head.

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    It’s great how people are gathering and having discussions under heavily censored platforms owned by billionaries, just amazing.

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      And on top of that, pretty much all the platforms, even all the way down to this one, are censored in at least one increasingly-relevant way.

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    Friendly reminder that selfhosted streaming exists (Owncast) or online alternatives like PeerTube.

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    Calling zionism what it is shouldn’t be discouraged with dog whistles masquerading as conduct policies.

    At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

    There are a couple Jewish lead organizations that fight for the freedom of Palestine and have been very critical of Israel for many years.

    Jewish Voices for Freedom is one group. I wonder how they’d feel about Twitches new policy. I’m genuinely curious what their opinion would be.

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      If you had looked at the link of this post, you would have read:

      Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”

      I.e. nothing is masqueraded here as long as they keep to this. This seems to be a reasonable policy. I’ve seen a couple of instances of people being derogatorily called zionists just for supporting the people of current Israel not being pushed away out of their now decades-old homes, which is hard to still call Zionist if they don’t support any further expansion and any offensive military action.

      There’s almost never anything gained to use “Zionist” on someone as if saying “asshole”.

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        which is hard to still call Zionist if they don’t support any further expansion and any offensive military action.

        Your ‘if’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting. And is fucking hilarious given they keep expanding and pushing people out of their decades old homes.

        Funny how that part seems to be ignored in defense of zionists…

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          say what you say about state of Israel but they got AIPAC to run propaganda of the history!

          being able to mobilize foreign population to support your genocide really is the psyop of all times lol

      • Anas@lemmy.world
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        Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”

        Zionist is a political term, it has nothing to do with one’s background or religious belief.

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          You’re entirely right.

          But see if the political view is only held by members or a certain religious group (even if not all members of said religion accept said political thought), it’s easy to conflate it, so that you can ban anyone opposing said political thought based on “they’re discriminating against me because of my religion”.

          Fuck twitch.

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              Well, I guess, but… you could argue that Zionists are mostly seen to be purely Jewish due to the nature of the movement.

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          I identify myself as a homosexual.

          I’ve heard homo being used in a derogatory way as an insult. That usage should not be tolerated.

          Retarded is just a medical term, yet you can use it as an insult as well.

          That is what this “specification of conditional” aims at. It’s fine to use the word in a descriptive way, you’re just not allowed to go around angrily calling people “fucking zionist”

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        I guess my pessimistic lens is a little strong and I generally don’t trust large companies to act in good faith. So maybe I’m over scrutinizing here and being a bit of a curmudgeon.

        I think your perspective is fair, and it’s likely this is akin to a high school faculty dealing with some random word or idea becoming a meme of sorts and causing problems. So they have to write some new rule that sounds ridiculous or weird.

        It sucks there’s so much racism and bigotry driving forces in the world that it’s hard to not be dubious of everything. You always kinda wonder about the actual motivation behind things like this.

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      At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

      Further to this, the majority of zionists are christians.

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        I know there’s a lot of Christians involved but how do we know it’s the majority? Young Israelis are raised largely around Zionist propaganda after all.

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          There’s about 100 million evangelical christians in the US, and a LifeWay poll in 2017 showed that about 80% essentially considered themselves zionists. That’s 80 million. There’s 15.8 million jews worldwide. So the non-Jewish zionists outweigh Jewish zionists by a fair margin. Heck, they outweigh the zionist and the non-zionist jews taken together by a beefy margin, even.

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              oh no, statistics that challenge my world view! Quick, let’s not look into it at all and move the goal posts!

              Could you at least try to engage in this discussion? Or maybe come up with any evidence supporting your world view?

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                A different definition of the term isn’t a different worldview. Also, not immediately spinning every exchange into an exhaustive debate isn’t a critical character flaw. Unlike being an insufferable ass about not getting the amount of attention you apparently feel entitled to.

                Though I would take look at that poll about 80% of Christians being “essentially” Zionists if you’d link to it.

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          the majority of zionists are christians.

          us braindead fundies are numbered in dozens of millions and they largely support Zionism.

          in rural US, radio glorifying genocide… it is very disturbing.