Are there any (livable 🥺) countries that basically allow anyone to become a citizen? Specifically where an English speaker could get by.
How much money are you bringing with you? There are countries that offer golden visa programs to the wealthy. Some of them may still have residency requirements (e.g. live there for x years) but otherwise it would basically allow anyone with money to become a citizen, or at the bare minimum obtain a visa to live there.
“Greece’s golden visa program requires a minimum investment of approximately $263,000 (€250,000) in real estate.”
Is that enough to buy an average house? Is the economy still this bad over there?Location, location, location
The us can be really cheap too. But you won’t want to live there.
Yeah… Not enough… Barely any.
Usually you have to be a resident for a number of years before being eligible for citizenship. Often the process is faster and easier if you meet minimum income or wealth thresholds, because countries like hosting rich expats.
https://immigrantinvest.com/blog/easy-residency-countries-en/
https://www.escapeartist.com/blog/6-countries-easy-get-residency-visa/
Yeah that’s the problems. I’m a broken loser.
Are you ok? Sounds like you’re in a rough spot.
The United States and the United Kingdom.
This is not at all true for the UK. You generally need a job offer to get a visa to stay for longer than six months.
He’s presumably being sarcastic, I assume because he’s grouchy about illegal immigration (which isn’t what OP is asking about…he’s asking about legal immigration).
Oh… I’m not trying pay off any government employees.
Well, “liveable” is going to be somewhat-subjective.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_border
Examples of open borders
Svalbard
Uniquely, the Norwegian special territory of Svalbard is an entirely visa-free zone. No person requires a visa or residence permit and anyone may live and work in Svalbard indefinitely, regardless of citizenship. The Svalbard Treaty grants treaty nationals equal right of abode as Norwegian nationals. So far, non-treaty nationals have been admitted visa-free as well. “Regulations concerning rejection and expulsion from Svalbard” are in force on a non-discriminatory basis. Grounds for exclusion include lack of means of support, and violation of laws or regulations.[52][53][54] Same-day visa-free transit at Oslo Airport is possible when travelling on non-stop flights to Svalbard.
That’s not citizenship, but it’s living and working there without restriction, which is probably about as good as someone’s going to get in the present day. But it’s probably colder than most people would like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard
Approximately 60% of the archipelago is covered with glaciers, and the islands feature many mountains and fjords. The archipelago has an Arctic climate, although with significantly higher temperatures than other areas at the same latitude. The flora has adapted to take advantage of the long period of midnight sun to compensate for the polar night. Many seabirds use Svalbard as a breeding ground, and it is home to polar bears, reindeer, the Arctic fox, and certain marine mammals. Seven national parks and 23 nature-reserves cover two-thirds of the archipelago, protecting the largely untouched fragile environment.
Hmm. Though that being said, global warming will cause glaciers to retreat, so it’ll probably be more-ice-free in the future than it is now.
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And it looks like Svalbard, in particular, is warming up quickly.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63387233
Experts from the Norwegian Polar Institute are among those who calculate it is heating six times faster than the global average.
The consensus is that the temperature in Svalbard has jumped 4C in the past 50 years.
Well, everything is terrible when you subject it to the realities of our modern world. Just turn off that part of your mind for a few moments and enjoy the idea.
everything is terrible
I’d guess that warming is probably long-term advantageous in terms of human habitation of Svalbard. We’re not really glacier-dwelling critters. Probably sucks if you’re a polar bear, but…
Most remote areas also have a lot higher cost of living since most things need to be shipped into the extreme environment.
That’s a good point. I know that in the US, pretty much everything costs more in Hawaii. Though…hmm. I’d bet that a big chunk of that might be the Jones Act, which requires any shipping from a US port to a US port without intermediate stops abroad to be done on a US-flagged ship with American crewmen, which is quite expensive. Net result, as I understand it, is that a lot of shipping between US destinations will do an intermediate stop at a port abroad. That works for, say, the Caribbean. But there isn’t any non-US territory anywhere near Hawaii, so a shipper won’t be able to readily use that approach.
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Yeah, it sounds like it’s a factor and a bit of a touchy point for Hawaii.
https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/jonesact/
The 1920 Jones Act requires that all cargo transported between U.S. ports be on ships that are U.S. flagged, built and mostly owned and crewed by Americans. It is well known that the act adds to Hawaii’s high cost of living…
So I dunno if it’d be as bad for Svalbard.
Also, Svalbard’s gonna be cold – even if it’s warmer than places at a similar latitude, it’s still in the Arctic – so heating costs will be higher there than most other places that people live.
Iirc, if you die there, your body has to be evacuated to somewhere else.
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Apparently, they don’t let people be buried there anymore, because it’s all permafrost, so the bodies don’t decay. This says that they sometimes permit people to be cremated and have their ashes kept in the graveyard there.
https://www.iflscience.com/it-is-against-the-law-to-die-in-this-town-for-very-good-reason-46724
The notion it’s illegal to die in Longyearbyen may have first started when it was discovered that in 1950 bodies within the town’s cemetery were not decomposing due to the permafrost. As a result, it was believed deadly viruses within the bodies could be kept alive and possibly re-infect the living population as the permafrost thawed.
It sounds like a nightmare scenario, but it’s one that has already played out elsewhere. In August 2016, there was an anthrax outbreak in northern Siberia, with one boy being killed and around 90 others hospitalized. Furthermore, 2,300 reindeer died from the disease.
The most recent outbreak prior to this took place in 1941. The 2016 outbreak occurred during a heatwave in the region, leading officials to conclude that a reindeer killed by anthrax had thawed out, causing the virus to be released into the environment.
In 1950, officials in Longyearbyen were worried that a similar thing could happen with bacteria and viruses hiding in the residents of their graveyard.
Recently, samples of the Spanish Influenza were found in the lungs of victims of the disease that had been preserved in the permafrost of Alaska, stored there since 1918. Traces were also found in Longyearbyen itself, from a person who died during the 1917 outbreak.
Though it’s unlikely that bodies in Longyearbyen thawing out would cause an outbreak of Spanish Flu, a team of scientists studying the virus in 1998 took extra precautions just in case. While extracting samples from the graves, they wore modified spacesuits and ensured that the tissue did not thaw out before it reached a specialized facility in the US.
“Potential viruses from the bodies that died during the Spanish flu is not a worry in Longyearbyen,” Carlsen told IFLScience. The results of those scientific studies can be read about here.
“It is not illegal to die on Svalbard, that happens from time to time, but as a main rule you cannot be buried here. However, in some special cases and for people who have a special connection or history to Longyearbyen, you can be buried in an urn at the cemetery.”
Also, in general, if you have legal residence long-term in a country, most countries do permit a route to obtain citizenship. Norway does appear to do this too (though it’s not a guaranteed right, and you need to learn Norwegian as part of that process). Thing is, I don’t know whether legal residence in Svalbard – which is a Norwegian territory, but not part of Norway proper – counts as legal residence in Norway for naturalization purposes, and I could very much believe that that is not the case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_nationality_law
Foreigners may become Norwegian nationals by application after residing in the country for at least seven of the previous ten years, while holding a work or residence permit valid for at least one year. Applicants must be at least 12 years old, demonstrate proficiency in the Norwegian or Sami language (or alternatively complete 300 hours of Norwegian language courses), intend to reside in Norway permanently, pass a good character requirement, and not have a criminal record.[11]
Thinking of an analog, I know that in the US, American Samoa is unusual in that while it is a US territory, American Samoa wanted to run their own immigration policy (because there are people in (non-American) Samoa who they wanted to be able to move in). Both the US and American Samoa were willing for American Samoa to be a US territory, but the US wasn’t willing to have American Samoa just be a back door to general entry to the US if they had different immigration policy. Normally, in an American territory – like Puerto Rico, say – the residents are American citizens. However, because of this independent immigration policy that American Samoa runs, based on the arrangement that the US and American Samoa worked out, American Samoans are not actually American citizens – they are American nationals. While generally they can live and work in the rest of the US, just the fact that American Samoa is okay with someone moving to American Samoa and has the right to let people in as they choose doesn’t necessarily mean that the same person can use that status to just bounce from there to legal status in the rest of the US.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Norway has similar restrictions on people bouncing via legal residence in Svalbard to broader Norway, because the situations are somewhat-similar.
Yeah but do they have highspeed internet?
When it isn’t being cut, they have submarine cables to Norway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Undersea_Cable_System
The Svalbard Undersea Cable System is a twin submarine communications cable which connects Svalbard to the mainland of Norway. The two optical fiber cable consist of two segments, from Harstad to Breivika in Andøy, and from Breivika to Hotellneset near Longyearbyen in Svalbard. The segments from Harstad to Breivika are 74 and 61 kilometers (46 and 38 mi) long, respectively, and the segments from Breivika to Hotellneset 1,375 and 1,339 kilometers (854 and 832 mi). Each consists of eight fiber pairs and there are twenty optical communications repeaters on each segment. Each segment has a speed of 10 gigabits per second (Gb/s), with a future potential capacity of 2,500 Gbit/s. The system is now the sole telecommunications link to the archipelago.
There’s apparently 5G service:
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/5g-norway/
The company began Scandinavia’s first 5G pilot back in November 2018, conducted Norway’s first 5G video call, and launched the world’s northernmost 5G pilot in Svalbard. Telenor chose Nordic company Ericsson over Chinese firm Huawei to supply the critical infrastructure for the rollout.
I don’t know whether Starlink orbital paths can cover that far north.
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Apparently so, and they started service about five months ago.
Starlink Launches in Svalbard: A New Era of Internet Connectivity in the Arctic.
Wait, are you in this situation right now? (Could this be the next Lemmy No Poop Challenge!?)
If you cross the US Mexico boarder by land they don’t check your passport, but you’ll have a rough go of it if you don’t speak Spanish. Might still be better than staying in the US though. And since Spanish is a European language you’ll have an easier time than other countries
Try southeast asia. Lower cost of living and can get by with english. As others have said, you can’t just go apply for citizenship. You’ll have to become a permanent resident first, and you need to work and live there for a while to do that.
Just finding a job elsewhere in your own country might be a better option, plenty of smaller towns with cheap rents and businesses looking to hire…
Assuming you don’t mean the US, but it’s basically the only place that let’s anyone in, even if it’s a limited amount by region.
The decision to let anyone in is typically a move a country makes because it’s going through population decline. Think Iceland, South Africa, Sicily, Pitcairn… the last of these would be the most rewarding.
Very seldomly does a good country just let anyone in, not just because it doesn’t want to be so generous but also because it doesn’t want to be exploited by people who realize that a good country is letting anyone pass.
Poor people. Isn’t that like 95% of the population these days? 😭
Why are you against learning the language of the place where you want to go? Immigrating is hard, and it’s even harder if you’re in a new place by yourself and can’t even speak the local language. You’re going to struggle a lot that way.
I know that Georgia is very lenient on maximum stay, 364 days a year and any day outside of the country the days are reset. You’re essentially a citizen that has to take mandatory annual vacations.
Tblisi is pretty well developed from what I have heard and it’s a very safe and peaceful place (ignoring 2008 >:( ). It’s still pretty poor compared to developed countries, so despite that human development is decent, you won’t be able to afford as many foreign products (especially tech).
They’re also being eyed up by Russia, which is worth keeping in mind…
