If anyone can find more pixels for me i would appreciate it.
Thanks y’all.
In what context(s)?
I don’t think “Y’all” would be problematic. But I also offer “You peeps”, I enjoy that one more in day to day conversation.
Y’all = you all, which is gender neutral.
Also that map is missing the Chicagoland y’all exclave.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but you seem to be missing the biggest issue with this map: saying “you guys” excludes anyone but those identifying as male. You may not mean it that way, but I’ve had women be offended when I used that in the past, and I wouldn’t like being referred to as a “gal” in a group of women. It’s just not accurate.
Personally, for a gender-neutral way of addressing a group, I like “you folks”.
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☝️🤓 - HR sounding ass
Empathy and caring how others want to be referred to is HR?? Lol, wild…
Kamala lost. The idpol of kinder language is a trashfire and a failure because the assumption that “empathy” is a shared quality among humanity is wrong and “bloodlust” is actually far more common, while complete ignorance and anti-intellectualism and accusations of “overthinking” prevail over both as you can see in the programming.dev techbro below.
Talking about how language influences views of marginalized or minority groups is useless when most people can barely even read more than a paragraph without bitching because they never developed reading stamina.
As for those who make these conversations necessary in the first place - they will always use the meanest word they can and all this has done is fed fuel to reactionaries.
There are far more important real fights to fight, like access to HRT and surgeries for people suffering from gender dysphoria - a crippling disorder, before you metropolitan libs start going on about “trans-femmes” and “masculine gendered language”
Wow, the award for quickest turnaround for proving the point goes to…
What?
☝️🤓 - ignoring the impact of inherently masculine gendered language on non-men sounding ass
Sincerely, a trans woman
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And which minority group do you belong to that makes you an expert on their issues?
Alternate reply: oh no my feewings you win
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So like, just because you ‘studied’ linguistics you think that makes you an expert on how language should always be used or that people should not feel a certain way about language just because you say so?
That’s not exactly a compelling argument.
Language is always going to carry certain meanings for some folks and we do a disservice to people by ignoring that, we all have our own personal lexicons/semantic meanings to a degree and that will likely never change, we do best by understanding this and working together to understand and accept when certain language can be hurtful and thus find ways of talking that do work for each other.
I feel that’s a better way of being than talking down to someone like you just did and telling them that how they feel about it doesn’t matter and they should just get with the program, which is never going to work.
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Yall is the genderless southern hospitality greeting.
No bullshit no hate. Only yall
I’ve used y’all intentionally as a gender neutral term for years in the south.
Lately I’ve even seen “y’all means all” used as a pride slogan in the south.
Awesome! Thanks comrade.
There are pride buttons that say Y’all means all.
“y’all” fills a legitimately useful gap the English language has. Other languages have a word like this.
Not a gap in every dialect! “Ye” is another plural second person used in Ireland
Hear y’all hear y’all, Reggie King from o’er the holler brought pawpaw moonshine for the weddin’
And youse in Dublin.
The worst is when a language formally has a disambiguating word but then speakers all just decide to not use it.
Any examples of an equivalent in other languages?
I speak a small amount of French but can’t think of one
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“Vous” is the first one that comes to mind in french. But since it is also a more formal (and/or “respectful”) version of “tu/toi”, it can both designate a group of people or a single person, depending on the context (just like “you” in English). Sometimes people will use “vous tous” (literally “you all”) to make this clear.
It is a little better than the “you” situation in English since if you are speaking with someone that is not using the singular form of “vous” to speak about you (which is basically anyone you are familiar with unless they are your boss or In-laws and kind of oldschool), it is instantly clear what they mean at least.
Spanish has “Ustedes” (except in Spain, they use “Vosotros/Vosotras”)
I’m on the border of y’all and you guys
Your comment gives me the urge to create other maps you can comment on so that I can triangulate your position.
I am open to the opportunity
Am I the only one who actually looked for more pixels for this guy?
Anywho, here you go my guy:
Edit: hmmm, Lemmy seems to be compressing it. Here’s a link.
You forgot “Yinz”
Yinz is definitely a Scots thing
Yinz goin aht n abaht in dahntahn Picksburgh to watch da Stillers game?
That’s actually “you’uns” and despite being from the deep south I barely ever heard it growing up. Guessing you are from the south too
Yinz is a Pittsburgh and Pennsyltucky thing
I was editing an Irish comedy recently which used “yinz” and “yiz” a lot.
Wow, this is news to me. How does a new word get the s to change to a z like that??
Genuine question. What is the “tucky” in pennsyltucky? Is it somehow tied to Kentucky?
Yeah, it’s the area south of Pittsburgh near WV, why is it called Pennsyltucky instead of Pennsylvirginia? No idea.
But, it’s more of a “here be hillbillies” thing, especially when compared to the rest of the state.Not just the area south - basically all the area in between the two cities. And yeah, it’s basically like saying “once you’re out of the cities, you might as well be in Kentucky.”
Kentucky = Hicks
Is the difference between youse and youse guys the number of people involved? Similar to y’all and all y’all?
Nah you just replace you with youse. Example:
Happy birthday to youse, happy birthday to youse. Happy birthday this fucking guuuuy! Happy birthday to youse!
ITT: Yinzers
I’m from New Jersey and have never heard anyone unironically say “youse guys”. Side note we also don’t call it “Joisey”.
I always thought youse guys was a new york city thing.
Only if you man in it a “you people” kind of way - like y’all need to stay with your own kind- or something like that.
