Prove it wrong: the fediverse is not as connected as we’re told, and it’s splintering even more now.

This is what makes the Fediverse so frustrating, been using: #Kbin #FireFish #Mastodon #Friendica #IceShrimp #Lemmy.

And no, they don’t speak to one another / find one another or are able to follow / like / reply to one another as one is told the Fediverse works.

The truth: some speak to some, and it rarely works both ways. Eg. Mastodon can do a lot more interacting with Lemmy, but not the other way around.

And then there are those that defederate from their own kind / federated social network, splintering the Fediverse even further apart.

Have had to either join new servers + delete current accounts, just because the server that was suggested, happened to be a server that others chose to defederate with.

Now with many accounts + many instances, been trying to find the best place to just have one space in the Fediverse + be able to communicate, follow and interact with other Fediverse users.

Maybe it’s this is wrong, but this has been the experience for almost a year now.

  • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
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    10 months ago

    There are 500 million posts on Twitter every day. Do you read them all? There are 2.8 million subreddits. Have you browsed them all? The internet is big. You’re not going to be able to follow everything everywhere all at once.

    I agree it’s a bit more difficult finding all the stuff you like in the fediverse without a central authority telling you where to go, but I’ve managed to fill my feed with active communities. I might be missing something, but so is everyone else. It’s humanly impossible to see it all.

    • 0x1C3B00DA@kbin.social
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      10 months ago

      There are 500 million posts on Twitter every day. Do you read them all? There are 2.8 million subreddits. Have you browsed them all?

      Nobody subscribes to every twitter acct or every subreddit so nobody is expecting to have every single post delivered to them. The fediverse has a legitimate problem where ppl don’t actually receive all the posts of accts they’re subscribed to. It’s silly to compare what the OP is complaining about to not being able to see every post on twitter/reddit.

    • Ramin Honary@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      10 months ago

      There are 500 million posts on Twitter every day. Do you read them all? There are 2.8 million subreddits. Have you browsed them all? The internet is big. You’re not going to be able to follow everything everywhere all at once.

      That is not really the point though. Suppose there are 2.8 million forums on Kbin or Lemmy. If you join an instance of any ActivityPub app, can you talk to any of those 2.8 million? Can you interact with all of the precise subset of forums that interest you? You can choose an instance to join, but you have to know ahead of time all the instances you want to interact with, and your interests might change over time. Or you have to create and maintain multiple accounts.

      This isn’t exactly sustainable for individual users.

  • Floon@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    I would chalk most of that up to relative nascence, and mostly volunteer labor. I would expect things to improve. In the meantime, I’m fine with my lemmy and mastodon instances, and don’t feel a lack of much.

  • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    I keep running into all kind of weird federation issues. I don’t know if the reasons are technical or political. Point is, you can’t see the whole fediverse using one account on one instance.

  • Ramin Honary@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    10 months ago

    And no, they don’t speak to one another / find one another or are able to follow / like / reply to one another as one is told the Fediverse works.

    This is true, it is a problem, but maybe not as big a problem as you think.

    Kbin combines the data model of both Lemmy and Mastodon so Kbin can interact with both of them perfectly. Mastodon can interact in a limited way with Lemmy. Frendica and Pixelfed also work fairly well with Mastodon, so Kbin should be able to interact with both of those as well, although I have never tried. PeerTube is probably the least compatible, although I can upvote and post comments on PeerTube videos using my Mastodon account, and follow PeerTube accounts on Mastodon. But I can’t create new PeerTube posts on Mastodon. I hope in time all of these different app services will be able to interact with each other more.

    The most difficult thing right now is moderation tools. Right now, banning instances is very coarse, and it also deletes the entire social graph between instances, so people who were following each other lose their connections with each other, even after the ban is removed.

    There are people working on solving that problem right now, but it might be a little while before the changes are spread throughout the network.

    What I would like most is if I can create one ActivityPub account and use it on every ActivityPub service. This for me would be a perfect solution, because then I could use any app using a single account. I would also like to see it possible to ban instances temporarily without losing social connectivity, and I would like to see better moderation tools for individual user accounts being banned by an instance.