I’m a generalist SysAdmin. I use Linux when necessary or convenient. I find that when I need to upgrade a specific solution it’s often easier to just spin up an entirely new instance and start from scratch. Is this normal or am I doing it wrong? For instance, this morning I’m looking at a Linux VM whose only task is to run Acme.sh to update an SSL cert. I’m currently upgrading the release. When this is done I’ll need to upgrade acme.sh. I expect some kind of failure that will require several hours to troubleshoot, at which point I’ll give up and start from scratch. I’m wondering if this is my ignorance of Linux or common practice?

  • Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    10 months ago

    There’s nothing ignorant IMO about avoiding headaches, and keeping environments new-car-smell fresh.

  • damium@programming.devEnglish
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    10 months ago

    Your experience may depend on which distro you use and how you install things. If you use a distro with a stable upgrade path such as Debian and stick to system packages there should be almost no issues with upgrades. If you use external installers or install from source you may experience issues depending on how the installer works.

    For anything complex these days I’d recommend going with containers that way the application and the OS can be upgraded independently. It also makes producing a working copy of your production system for testing a trivial task.

  • SheeEttin@programming.devEnglish
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    10 months ago

    No, it’s the same on the Windows side. Personally I like to build a new one in parallel, then migrate. I do plenty of upgrades on desktops, but I don’t think I’ve ever done one on a server (except stuff like CentOS 7 to 8 where it’s not really that significant of a change).

    Migration is the safe option, but if it’s a huge pain to migrate, I might do the in-place upgrade with a rollback plan ready if it really goes poorly.

  • kevincox@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    I think yes. In general if you have good setup instructions (preferably automated) then it will be easier to start from scratch. This is because when starting from scratch you need to worry about the new setup. But when upgrading you need to worry about the new setup as well as any cruft that has been carried over from the previous setup. Basically starting clean has some advantages.

    However it is important to make sure that you can go back to the old working state if required. Either via backups or leaving the old machine around working until the new one has been proven to be operational.

    I also really like NixOS for this reason. It means that you can upgrade your system with very little cruft carrying over. Basically it behaves like a clean install every update. But it is easier to roll back if you need to.

  • palordrolap@kbin.social
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    10 months ago

    Whatever makes you happiest in the moment.

    If you have any concerns whatsoever that an upgrade over the top of an existing system might cause problems and/or leave cruft behind that will bug you, however harmless it might be: backup, format the system partition, install fresh.

    Otherwise, backup, install the upgrade.

    One strategy might be to upgrade a couple of times and then for the next upgrade, start afresh instead.

    That might be what I choose to do when the next version of my distro comes out since I’ve upgraded the last couple of times. Prior to that I basically started afresh because I changed distro. Maybe I’ll change distro again.

    I should probably mention that I’m a home user in charge of one PC and have never been a main sysadmin (sysadmin gofer and work monkey, yes; boss, no), so you might want to take this under advisement.