I stayed at an Airbnb recently And I was curious what the actual value of it was so I looked it up on Zillow. Sold in 2015 for 350k, sold again in 2022 for $750k, now listed for sale 1.2 million. It’s a cabin in North Carolina, literally nothing special. I remember back before 2020 there was tons of mountain and cabins and homes and stuff like that anywhere from 2:50 to 500K. Now you won’t find a single one less than 800k…
Regular homes are just as bad. I’m seeing homes in my area that sold for around $200 to 300K in 2019, now they are 500k and above. I don’t understand how this makes any sense? Salaries were not doubled, but somehow the price of all homes are now twice as much. Is this some sort of cost fixing scheme by the real estate industry to just drive up the price of homes and double them or something? Because it doesn’t really make sense to me I guess.
I remember back before 2020 there was tons of mountain and cabins and homes and stuff like that anywhere from 2:50 to 500K. Now you won’t find a single one less than 800k…
WFH and good satellite internet were a bit of a game changer here. You could now live in a remote place and work a job with a high income.
Regular homes are just as bad. I’m seeing homes in my area that sold for around $200 to 300K in 2019, now they are 500k and above.
Supply and demand here. There aren’t enough houses being build for people (and private investors) that want to buy them. The price rises.
I don’t understand how this makes any sense? Salaries were not doubled, but somehow the price of all homes are now twice as much.
Lots to unpack with this one. First, some people’s salaries were doubled. There has been some niche sectors of industry that have seen large year over year increases in income, specifically some STEM fields. Second, housing price rises are not linear across all pricepoints. The cheaper house are going up significantly faster than more expensive homes. Why? Because there are more people shopping at the lower pricepoints. When we bought our new-to-us house a few years ago buying a house $150k more expensive than the house were were living in got us very little more house. However, buying a house $250k more expensive got a lot more house (larger, better neighborhood, more outside space, etc).
The market saw an unexpected dip post pandemic as a result of higher and higher interest rates as fiscal authorities mingled with threats of inflation.
Now that the interest rates are falling, prices are rising so that the monthly payments on loans and mortgages stay roughly the same, because it is the actual determining factor of if a property will sell.
Land is the only commodity that’s actual worth anything, perpetually.
True but not the cause of this massive change in real estate values.
True, it’s not the only thing, But a big part of it.
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It varies by region and country but the big underlying factor is not enough new homes are being built. It’s creating an artificial scarcity which is driving up prices. Some other factors come into play depending on where you live. For example, I’ve read in America that a lot of the homes are being bought by trust funds and big corporations that can just overbid everyone. Now there are even less viable homes to sell. Here in Canada, we have a big problem where our federal government brought in a large amount of immigrants for it’s Temporary Foreign Worker program and it’s foreign student programs which created a big spike in population, especially in the major cities. The local governments are responsible for house building and didn’t do anything about accommodating a bigger population despite them knowing it was coming.
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Corrected, thank you person with the best and most relevant username :).
I stayed at an Airbnb …
That’s why.
What if It’s only listed as an Airbnb because they can’t sell it though? It’s been listed on the market, and it has not sold obviously. What else would you do with a home that you’re not living in and you’re actively trying to sell? That’s what’s not really making sense to me. For example say I have a vacation home in Pennsylvania or something like that. I put it on the market for the valuation that it has, 500k, hundreds of other homes just like that, no one’s buying it for months and months and months… But I’m still paying for it. What exactly is wrong with putting it on Airbnb?
At 1.2 million, it’s overpriced. They’ve likely priced it that way because it’s now an Airbnb - “look at all the income you’ll make by buying this property!” But what really changed in the two years they owned it? Did they remodel the whole place? Possibly, but probably not enough to warrant adding $550k to the price. This house is now an investment, not a place to live.
I have noticed a particular attitude with a lot of sellers, though. They think because other sellers have been having great windfalls that they can just list for any high amount and it’ll work for them too. Those are the ones that sit, and they’re usually priced at 1m or more.
The homes flying off the shelves, so to speak, are the starter homes. You have both younger and older generations fighting for the same small affordable homes, and developers generally aren’t building as many of those.
Nothing is /wrong/ but without airbnb you’d probably drop the price or offer other incentives to buyers. Now that you can easily just rent it, why sell it all really. You’re making more than you were not renting it so you can just hold on until the market meets you where you want it to be instead of where it’s at. This help props up the price of real estate and decreases downward corrections in housing prices.
Nothing is /wrong/
a lot is wrong. illegal hotel chain is a shady way to privatize profits and externalize the negative effects of running a hotel.
Or maybe the valuation is bullshit? Naaaah, couldnt be…
remember, the houses you see on the market are those which did not get sold.
Housing prices are based on comparable homes sold in the area, so what are you guys talking about?
I won’t argue that speculation hasn’t caused prices to rise drastically but this is an industry-wide issue not an issue with homes that “did not get sold” because they happen to be on the market at the time you viewed the available listings. You’re implying that any home on the market is priced too high simply because it’s on the market.
Quick, everybody down vote op for asking a question
The tribe says AirBnB bad therefore OP is bad and a group outsider for staying in one.
The tribe says AirBnB bad
the “tribe” here is literally everyone except for the people who parasite on it.
- Land is scarce where people want to live, it’s always going to get more expensive as more people want to live there.
- Low interest rates caused large investment firms to seek higher rates by being rental owners instead of mortgage owners. This forced up rent to make returns on investment. As the realities of being a landlord are realized this might get better.
- New building nationally wasn’t keeping pace pre covid, but it was by a negligible amount. Post covid, new building is years behind where it needs to be.
- High interest rates now has effectively got people stuck in existing homes, because a new mortgage would be double the payment.
- Inflation happened, 20% of the increase since 2020 is just inflation.
- Short term rentals have devasted the residential market in popular tourist areas, forcing them to charge hotel taxes and follow those regulations is hopefully going to start correcting this.
I think you elude to it, but just to clarify…VC’s and companies have been buying homes like crazy, thus reducing an already anemic inventory.
Because population is increasing faster than new housing is being built. There is a supply problem and demand is in elastic. The supply problem is the result of government’s continual suppression of new construction, via permitting red tape and overeager density zoning.
I guess it’s by country basis. A lot of places have negative population growth yet the prices skyrocket. It does make me think what is the actual reason in those places
What’s an example of such a place?
I was listening to the radio and they had said to keep up with housing demand in my area they would need to create 35,000 homes per year for 30 years. Meanwhile we get maybe 25 houses at most. In 6 years the typical rent has quadrupled.
Horrible world we live in.
The answer is always speculation investment. People are on average richer and real estate is the only trully limited economic resource as we have limited land especially in desired locations.
Seriously lookup how much of real estate is uninhabitable.
People are richer, the tech is better and everything we know about economy would indicate that real estate should be more accessible but that’s not the case because the market is manipulated.
The best part? If you invest in a stock index you’ll almost always out do real estate ownership almost anywhere in developed world. So people are hustling this stupid game while they could just sit back and watch money do money things.
The biggest reason that is often overlooked is wealth inequality. The rich keep accumulating wealth, and real estate is a scarce form of wealth that holds value, produces a return, and can be accumulated. It probably accelerated recently because of the large amount of money that was dumped into the system around covid; that was yet another opportunity for the wealthy to grab a bigger share of the pie.
If things keep going this way, we’re going to get into a situation where regular people don’t own houses anymore, and rent is a much larger percentage of your income.
My guess is that as the need for housing has increased (population growth, short term rentals taking up supply, etc), we haven’t been building the right kind of homes to fill the void.
Nobody is out there using land to build “starter homes”. It’s either large, expensive houses or apartment complexes, so the demand for home ownership is high, but the ones available to buy aren’t cheap.
It would be like if nobody made affordable cars, so most drivers were stuck either leasing or saving up for a Lamborghini. (Hyperbole, but you get the idea)
In my area:
- My area is a relatively Low cost of living area surrounded by people that have money. When they want to work remote but still stay in the same state, some % come east for cheap housing. They can pay cash for houses.
- Corporations are buying houses, then renting. Less houses on the market. They also pay cash for houses.
- People with multiple houses can use the aforementioned houses to buy up more housing to rent, creating a investment loop. Its in their best interest to keep the houses as small businesses/revenue streams.
- There are apps that hook into MLS (example: https://www.mlslistings.com/more/mobile-app/) which means investors can make an offer faster than the general public or set up alerts (think stock market) that hook into the API. Ever wonder why some houses get multiple offers before or right after they are listed? This only works if the company/entity selling the property decides to add in the info into MLS and not just go with the defaults.
- More people are alive today than yesterday. They need housing. There are less houses getting built, or being built for owning. For renting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrxZqPVFTag
Source: Used to work for a company that did this sort of buy/selling of properties.
Prices are falling in Florida, and inventory is stacking up.
My home value hasn’t started falling yet, according to Zillow, but the appreciation seems to have leveled off.
I stayed at an Airbnb
Nothing funnier than source of the problem complaining about the problem :D
The answer is very location dependent, and often multifaceted. However here in Canada it’s a combination of neglecting affordable housing construction for decades, a huge uptick in immigration raising demand in some areas, a total lack of political willpower (most of our MPs report housing income, many actual landlords), and an economy that’s over-leveraged on real estate in general.
