I’m talking about a fan theory, that if true doesn’t drastically upend the fundamentals of the fiction it is set in.

Mine is that in the American Dad episode ‘Can I Be Frank With You’, that Snot’s uncle is actually just another Roger persona. He appears suddenly and conveniently to pitch a bizarre scheme, he loves hanging around with teen boys and doing drugs, and the very instant that the plan has a setback he kills himself out of sight of everyone else. That’s just Roger in a suit and glasses.

Edit: Ok, so, people are having trouble with the word “inconsequential”.

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    Roger has a character that every single person can’t recognize… Maybe that was the one for all of us!

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    That Crocodile is Luffy’s mom. Gender Bent by Emporio Ivankov’s devil fruit power so he can hide his true identity.

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    Mine is that in Star Trek, at least all the computers advanced enough to be used on a starship is actually sentient. At some point you have enough self aware hologram programs and rogue AIs that you should start to wonder if they’re actually anonymous.

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    Sisko was killed in TNG’s universe. Sisko survived in DS9’s universe due to the prophets saving him. The Trek universe diverged at Wolf 359.

    The Dominion War has drastically different outcomes. Existential crisis in one universe where Sisko does a lot of meddling; barely mentioned in the other.

    The biggest change to the cast is that Worf marries Jadzia Dax and becomes Ambassador to the Klingon Empire in one universe; in the other universe, he does a brief inconsequential stint at DS9 (without Sisko), never marries, then returns to the Enterprise E as pretty much the same character from TNG, and at some later point, he gets the Enterprise E destroyed.

    The Picard timeline is set in the universe where Sisko died at Wolf 359.

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      Fascinating, but I’m not buying it.

      Still, well formed and fascinating.

      Edit: this makes sense if you played Star Trek Online, and I’ll give OP a break for that, but most of the crazy stuff that would have supported this theory 6 years ago has been ironed-out in-canon. Even if it wasn’t done well.

      Still, I really enjoyed the alt history version!

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    Chris Meloni’s character in Happy is actually just Stabler. His whole backstory as a disgraced cop is essentially really him (I think they even show a picture of him right out of SVU) but he had to change his name for protection.

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        I wrote like a 30,000 word treatise refuting every point of the Darth Jar jar with the help of an advocate.

        for fun.

        it would be great, but it seems unlikely and extremely lacking in evidence when you look at each point one by one and put everything back together.

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          Would your treatise allow this to work if he’s not a sith, but instead an incredibly powerful by oblivious force user?

          My take is that the gungans aren’t well known to the Jedi so they could have missed him, on top of that, palps would have been on naboo when he was born so whatever he’s using to hide his presence may have extended to other force sensitives in the area.

          Quigon doesn’t want to get rid of jar jar, even when he’s given the chance to but dies before he has time to really look at jar jar.

          Palps is stupidly chummy with jar jar even though everyone hates him. He also trusts the galaxies biggest moron to give the speech his entire plan henges on.

          If his ability to accidentally always come up ahead was actually him being too dumb to realize he’s passively using the force, and he wholly believes in palps being the emergency hero, he could have accidentally swayed a few votes.

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            “Would your treatise allow this to work if he’s not a sith, but instead an incredibly powerful by oblivious force user?”

            yeah, it’s as good as any other theory, maybe better than the sith one because there are less obvious things to point out that don’t work.

            it kind of sounds like a xanth premise, if you ever read those books.

            I don’t think there are strong enough foundations to hold the assumptions together myself, most binks theories I’ve read rely on a passive series of events and assumptions occurring in the background.

            and I like them all.

            i like the Darth Darth Binks theory and other theories, but taken in context with what is depicted on screen, how straightforward Star wars is, and what the actors and production team and scripts say about the character, there’s no cohesive or convincing supporting evidence that Jar Jar was anything other than comic relief and then a hastily minimized plot device after audiences rebelled against him.

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        Exactly! To link all of these great & unrelated pieces of cinema together into a somewhat believable overarching storyline is pretty cool.

        I don’t believe there’s any intent from the creators there at all but it’s an awesome little exercise if nothing else.

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    In the Wizard of Oz, Glenda the “Good” Witch is actually a ruthless drug kingpin.

    She used her magic powers to summon a tornado and then merks the Wicked Witch of the East with Dorothy’s house. She then puts WWotE’s shoes on Dorothy in order to make her a target for WWotE’s sister, the Wicked Witch of the West. Glenda then uses Dorothy as a stooge to bump off WWotW, thereby putting herself in control of Oz’s vast fields of opium poppies, and cornering the entire opium trade.

    It doesn’t make sense any other way. Glenda could have told Dorothy to use the ruby slippers to get home at literally any point, but instead sends her on a wild goose chase, and uses her as a blunt instrument to take out the only other bases of power remaining in Oz: the WWotW, and the Wizard, who Dorothy exposes as a fraud. Only then does she tell Dorothy to click her heels, and poof: everything is all wrapped up with a bow, and Glenda’s hands are clean. Her two main rivals are dead, and the Wizard is fleeing Oz in disgrace.

    It’s some fucking Kaiser Söze level shit.

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      This but she’s not a drug kingpin and didn’t do the Tornado.

      A weird weather event drops a house on one of your 3 rivals and some farm girl steps out. Either it’s a bizarre coincidence or she’s an equally powerful if not more powerful mage. Either way, you don’t want her on your turf so you put a bright red target on her feet and send her after your next rival, who you think may be a fraud. Either she houses more people or she dies, either way it’s not Glenda’s problem.

      In the end, she destroys a government, literally melts Glenda’s political and magical equal, and comes back like a lost puppy and Glenda can’t risk Dorothy accidentally melting her so age sends her home.

      It wasn’t a pan, it was cleverly using your windfalls.

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      In the musical wicked which I suppose is canon and happens at the same time, Glenda reveals to Madame Morrible that the wicked witch of the west will probably show herself if her sister (the wicked witch of the east) is in danger. So Morrible summons the tornado to threaten the sister which coincidentally brings along Dorothy. Glenda secretly was good friends with Elphaba (WWotW) so wouldn’t have intentionally gotten her sister killed. There was a lot of politics and propaganda and stuff, but Glenda wasn’t really a villain, just a vain person who found it easier to support an autocracy. Someone who has read the books could probably explains it all, sorry if I’ve ruined your headcanon!

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    On the American Dad theory, there is a long-running theory that Roger’s ultimate goal is to replace all of humanity. The start of the show is just him, and then “learning” to put on disguises, but he’s become more and more people over time, to the point where it is hard for almost everyone (except the Smiths, who he trusts) to know it is him.

    It isn’t inconsequential, but an interesting theory on whether the finale of American Dad will either be finding out that Roger IS everyone, or if Stan saving Roger actually saved humanity by allowing Roger to see humanity.

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    Char Aznable’s wild shift in character between the end of Zeta and the beginning of Char’s Counterattack can be directly pinned on Kamille Bidan’s mental crippling at the end of Zeta and Haman Karm’s actions in ZZ.

    Char, who always had a rather strong protective streak, more or less pinned his hopes on Kamille as a key to the future. Instead he directly experienced the Newtype backlash of Kamille being mentally crippled, and subequently could no longer sense him. This convinced him that humanity was doomed to eternal conflict, unless it was forced to advance.

    Still unable to get over his protective streak, Char then manages to extricate Mineva Lao Zabi, the last remaining Zabi and perhaps the only one who he doesn’t actually seem to harbor any hatred towards, to Earth. But Haman just creates a double, which she uses to drag Neo Zeon into yet another war for personal power. This convinces Char he cannot trust the future to anyone else, even after protecting the ones he cares about.

    Thus, we reach CCA with a Char who is fixedly convinced of both the need for forced human advancement, and that he alone must be that leader.