I didn’t say a lot of people don’t support it. But that’d be in parity with a lot of Americans supporting invasion of Iraq or Israel’s crimes. Which makes them similar genocidal imperialists. So genocidal imperialism is normal in your “civilized world”, you are doing it.
That injustice would be responsible, by the way, for a certain percentage of people answering something not because they support the war, but because they hate all those virtue-signaling jerks who support many other wars which go unpunished, with those jerks also residing in states where their political position doesn’t cost them fines or jail. I don’t like hypocrisy as well.
And it’s funny, another guy just talked about “apathetic stance”, and you now talk about “totalitarian state”, and both are used to blame Russians, while they are mutually contradictory. If a state is totalitarian, then any stance taken without a suicide belt (and most taken with it) doesn’t give you any immediate results. And it is.
I’m not going to argue that the majority of neurotypical people will support a war their state starts. If you are from the USA, yours did with much bigger euphoria than Russians in 2022.
This is pretty tired whataboutism w.r.t US and Iraq.
The Iraq equivalent would be American annexing Basra state, banned arabic and forcing everyone to speak with a Texan accent and eat pork chops.
All the while sending Arabic speaker to dungeons and having state TV with goons laughing about how they caught a local Iraq women speaking Arabic and sent her to a dungeon.
What bloody “equivalent”? I’m talking about literal US invasion of Iraq which has killed more Iraqis than Russia has Ukrainians in the same amount of time.
They don’t call it an invasion in your land of the free? Or they really think that was normal and somehow different from 2022-now?
But we can do Iraq for your analogy too. When Saddam invaded Iran with pretty land-grabbing nationalist goals, they’d do a lot of fucked up shit of this kind, and they were supported by the West. Iranians have fought back, and that’s why despite hating the Islamic regime, they have no illusions about the West too.
I want to ask you another thing - do you realize that the mafia group in control of Russia got to the point of no opposition and ability to invade, for example, Ukraine, because from the very beginning it was supported by the West against democratic forces in Russia?
Yeltsin’s coup in 1993 was supported by the West. Oh, yes, his opponents were very scary, some “red-brown” mix of goosestepping neo-Nazis and Stalinists. But there’s one little problem - those obviously unpleasant people would refrain from violence and try to solve the crisis via peaceful means till the very storming of parliament (where they were, ahem, the majority).
Probably half of the Russian elites have emigrated to Western countries by now with their stolen money ; were that process not as welcome from the receiving countries, maybe it wouldn’t be their main goal, and maybe that would have lead to an environment where Russia’s elites can possibly change.
For you, extermination of Ukrainian identity in the occupied territories is OK. For me it’s not.
And at any rate, I don’t buy your “whataboutism” about Iraq. You don’t care about killed Iraqi civilians just you like you don’t care about Ukrainiains killed by Russians.
I want to ask you another thing - do you realize that the mafia group in control of Russia got to the point of no opposition and ability to invade, for example, Ukraine, because from the very beginning it was supported by the West against democratic forces in Russia?
No, I do not believe in russian victimhood narratives.
For you, extermination of Ukrainian identity in the occupied territories is OK. For me it’s not.
Somebody should have explained it to you long ago that your comments can be a source of information about yourself, and not about me.
And at any rate, I don’t buy your “whataboutism” about Iraq. You don’t care about killed Iraqi civilians just you like you don’t care about Ukrainiains killed by Russians.
I care about them very much, I would prefer cockroach Americans to die instead of them - and instead of Ukrainians.
No, I do not believe in russian victimhood narratives.
You are a cockroach. Pretending to be good and kind where it doesn’t cost you anything. See, when it does, a man becomes more concerned with something he pays for with various things to be correct and true.
If you care about Ukrainian lives, go to war and replace one of those lives with your own. And if you don’t, you should preach for peace because more people die in war than in peace.
No, you are a cockroach because you are ignoring everything of matter in my comments, pretending they say something else.
I realize my country is genocidal. You don’t realize your country is genocidal. If you would, it wouldn’t make sense for you to run around with condemnations.
Also my country is authoritarian and yours is not supposed to be that, I agree. That also makes your responsibility for said crimes bigger than mine. But I don’t think you ever thought about that, don’t seem the type.
Yeah, we’ve seen how well “peace with russia” worked out after 2014.
Ukraine should have been the initiator of some kind of compromise after the first 6 months, when Russia looked pathetic.
Instead they used the moment for propaganda targeted at their own population. Probably to keep the current government in power.
Any kind of peace would allow them to make further preparations for a war not limited by Donbass and Crimea.
In Crimea the idea of separating from Ukraine was always popular, it was always treated by many people as some mistake that they are part of Ukraine. So losing Crimea is not really a loss.
And compromise, while involving real losses, should be measured not against some ideal right and law, but against the fact that anything else will be paid with lives and those will not be of Americans, Europeans and other white civilized people telling Ukrainians to fight against Russia instead of them.
I’m telling you, every Armenian and Georgian looking at the war in Ukraine sees how the “alternative” demanded by hawkish protesters works, and finds appreciation for the wisdom of their own governments in that particular regard.
I didn’t say a lot of people don’t support it. But that’d be in parity with a lot of Americans supporting invasion of Iraq or Israel’s crimes. Which makes them similar genocidal imperialists. So genocidal imperialism is normal in your “civilized world”, you are doing it.
That injustice would be responsible, by the way, for a certain percentage of people answering something not because they support the war, but because they hate all those virtue-signaling jerks who support many other wars which go unpunished, with those jerks also residing in states where their political position doesn’t cost them fines or jail. I don’t like hypocrisy as well.
And it’s funny, another guy just talked about “apathetic stance”, and you now talk about “totalitarian state”, and both are used to blame Russians, while they are mutually contradictory. If a state is totalitarian, then any stance taken without a suicide belt (and most taken with it) doesn’t give you any immediate results. And it is.
I’m not going to argue that the majority of neurotypical people will support a war their state starts. If you are from the USA, yours did with much bigger euphoria than Russians in 2022.
This is pretty tired whataboutism w.r.t US and Iraq.
The Iraq equivalent would be American annexing Basra state, banned arabic and forcing everyone to speak with a Texan accent and eat pork chops.
All the while sending Arabic speaker to dungeons and having state TV with goons laughing about how they caught a local Iraq women speaking Arabic and sent her to a dungeon.
What bloody “equivalent”? I’m talking about literal US invasion of Iraq which has killed more Iraqis than Russia has Ukrainians in the same amount of time.
They don’t call it an invasion in your land of the free? Or they really think that was normal and somehow different from 2022-now?
But we can do Iraq for your analogy too. When Saddam invaded Iran with pretty land-grabbing nationalist goals, they’d do a lot of fucked up shit of this kind, and they were supported by the West. Iranians have fought back, and that’s why despite hating the Islamic regime, they have no illusions about the West too.
I want to ask you another thing - do you realize that the mafia group in control of Russia got to the point of no opposition and ability to invade, for example, Ukraine, because from the very beginning it was supported by the West against democratic forces in Russia?
Yeltsin’s coup in 1993 was supported by the West. Oh, yes, his opponents were very scary, some “red-brown” mix of goosestepping neo-Nazis and Stalinists. But there’s one little problem - those obviously unpleasant people would refrain from violence and try to solve the crisis via peaceful means till the very storming of parliament (where they were, ahem, the majority).
Probably half of the Russian elites have emigrated to Western countries by now with their stolen money ; were that process not as welcome from the receiving countries, maybe it wouldn’t be their main goal, and maybe that would have lead to an environment where Russia’s elites can possibly change.
For you, extermination of Ukrainian identity in the occupied territories is OK. For me it’s not.
And at any rate, I don’t buy your “whataboutism” about Iraq. You don’t care about killed Iraqi civilians just you like you don’t care about Ukrainiains killed by Russians.
No, I do not believe in russian victimhood narratives.
Somebody should have explained it to you long ago that your comments can be a source of information about yourself, and not about me.
I care about them very much, I would prefer cockroach Americans to die instead of them - and instead of Ukrainians.
You are a cockroach. Pretending to be good and kind where it doesn’t cost you anything. See, when it does, a man becomes more concerned with something he pays for with various things to be correct and true.
If you care about Ukrainian lives, go to war and replace one of those lives with your own. And if you don’t, you should preach for peace because more people die in war than in peace.
Recognizing that laying the blame that your country is authoritarian and genocidal on someone else makes me a cockroach?
Yeah, we’ve seen how well “peace with russia” worked out after 2014.
No, you are a cockroach because you are ignoring everything of matter in my comments, pretending they say something else.
I realize my country is genocidal. You don’t realize your country is genocidal. If you would, it wouldn’t make sense for you to run around with condemnations.
Also my country is authoritarian and yours is not supposed to be that, I agree. That also makes your responsibility for said crimes bigger than mine. But I don’t think you ever thought about that, don’t seem the type.
Ukraine should have been the initiator of some kind of compromise after the first 6 months, when Russia looked pathetic.
Instead they used the moment for propaganda targeted at their own population. Probably to keep the current government in power.
Any kind of peace would allow them to make further preparations for a war not limited by Donbass and Crimea.
In Crimea the idea of separating from Ukraine was always popular, it was always treated by many people as some mistake that they are part of Ukraine. So losing Crimea is not really a loss.
And compromise, while involving real losses, should be measured not against some ideal right and law, but against the fact that anything else will be paid with lives and those will not be of Americans, Europeans and other white civilized people telling Ukrainians to fight against Russia instead of them.
I’m telling you, every Armenian and Georgian looking at the war in Ukraine sees how the “alternative” demanded by hawkish protesters works, and finds appreciation for the wisdom of their own governments in that particular regard.
Always the victim!
Like I said. That’s why you are a cockroach. OK, done.