Discord defends itself against efforts to stop piracy on its platform by saying no to more invasive data collection. Even though Discord isn’t exactly known for privacy, this is a great move for its users. What are your thoughts?

    • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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      19 days ago

      They do have to retrieve old messages when new users join though. I’m sure the government can force them to lett them in a server and unlock the roles

      • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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        19 days ago

        Keep the data but encrypted. Let users send links that contain the pki info to decrypt the messages. Have that pki info generated client side.

        Discord would only need to shuffle data, provide authentication, and provide the web app data down to the client. But every bit of user shared and generated content would be encrypted to them.

            • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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              18 days ago

              Either you share the message history to new users (which includes feds) or you don’t have any history. I don’t understand what you mean

              • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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                18 days ago

                The server provides the data to authenticated users and helps facilitate pki between the clients.

                If someone is added by the server to have access to the data but wasn’t given a key capable of decryption by an actual user they wouldn’t have actual access, just encrypted data.

      • stoy@lemmy.zip
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        19 days ago

        Why?

        Why is channel history needed for new users?

        Back in the IRC days you joined a channel that was just empty, if you wanted the history you had to run an IRC client continously, I remember running screen irssi on a separate computer and sshing into the server, reconnecting the screen with irssi in it.

        If you want the history automatically, you can’t expect privacy.

        • Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee
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          19 days ago

          90% of the reason I even have discord is because people much smarter than me use it to share information. Nobody uses other areas suited for sharing information anymore. It’s either Reddit or discord.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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          19 days ago

          If you want the history automatically, you can’t expect privacy.

          That’s not true, you can pull the history from other users who happen to be online.

        • GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
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          19 days ago

          At the same time, expecting privacy in a room where a bunch of strangers hang out is already unreasonable. If everyone already in the channel can log the chats, for example by idling in the channel, then adding E2E on top of that is probably a false sense of security.

        • antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          19 days ago

          Why is channel history needed for new users?

          Does this question really merit an answer? Can’t you think of an answer yourself?

          Back in the IRC days

          Ok, boomer. Unironically.

          You’re literally saying that people should just make do with inferior, significantly less practical tech. Do you think anyone will ever say that’s a good idea and decide to switch from Discord to IRC?

          • stoy@lemmy.zip
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            19 days ago

            Insults, very compelling argument!

            Go back to Reddit with that shit!

        • rooster_butt@lemm.ee
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          19 days ago

          I have an issue with something I’m using and there is a discord server I will join it. I then search my issue and its usually been adressed in the past. Without history I would be forced to ask the question that has probably been answered many times in the past.

          • deathbird@mander.xyz
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            19 days ago

            Far more than should tbh. Too many little game mods will have a Discord for questions and reporting issues rather than using their GitHub or a forum.

            • JustARaccoon@lemmy.world
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              19 days ago

              Oh I agree, it’s very much a “forcing a round peg into a square hole” situation, but I doubt discord will make any changes to push back against it

                • JustARaccoon@lemmy.world
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                  19 days ago

                  Because now you’re using discord for more things? You’re giving them more data? What’s not to like

                  • RogueBanana@lemmy.zip
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                    18 days ago

                    Doubt that they are scrapping the data themselves at this point in time. They care more about the user count as their major revenue seems focused on selling nitro and whatever shit they are putting up in their shop. Not in anyway saying that it is secure obviously and they might choose to sell data like reddit but gotta sick with the more plausible scenarios.

          • stoy@lemmy.zip
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            19 days ago

            That is a good point, I have never done that, and to me it is just a chat system…

        • vithigar@lemmy.ca
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          19 days ago

          I remember running screen irssi on a separate computer and sshing into the server, reconnecting the screen with irssi in it.

          I still do that today.