• DeGandalf@kbin.social
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    10 months ago

    As a german the whole tip system in the US is both redicilous and hilarious to me.
    We have tipping here, too (we literally call it “drinking money”). With the difference, that it’s pretty much voluntary and if you don’t have much money (e.g. as a student) noone will expect you to tip.
    Having tips be part of the actual wage totally defeats the point of them…

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      10 months ago

      As an American and former tipped employee, living in a country without tips is so much better. However, there are some groups trying to make tips happen here in Japan. If you get good service, tell the manager or corporate. If you’re a regular, give them an actual small gift (this happens anyway because people exchange gifts when they go on vacation and such). If it’s a bar employee, buy them a drink. I like this much better.

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        10 months ago

        Tipping is “not required” the way that not cheating on an SO is “not required”. No, you’re not going to get arrested for it, but that doesn’t make it okay.

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          This is more like someone I barely know and never agreed to be in a relationship with getting upset about me seeing other people.

          If you agree to monogamy, it’s cheating and unethical for sure. If you don’t agree to monogamy, cheating isn’t even possible lol.

          So if I agree to pay the listed price of an item and then I pay for it in full…

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            This is more like someone I barely know and never agreed to be in a relationship with getting upset about me seeing other people.

            But you did decide to walk into a restaurant and order, knowing full well that the employees there currently require tips to survive, yes? And you also understand that your single act of not tipping one person doesn’t change societal convention, it only hurts that individual worker?

            Your analogy is fraught. Let me revise it for you:

            This is more like someone I barely know and never agreed to be in a relationship with getting upset that I shit in their toilet without flushing.

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              I never consented to any of it. And no, I don’t know what the servers make. I only know what I made as one at a specific restaurant like 15 years ago. My uncertainty is even more pronounced when I’m on vacation in an area I’ve never worked as a server.

              Can you please just let me know the actual price so I can agree to pay it or not. I just want all the information so I can make a decision. How much is the cheeseburger that says $10 on the menu? Ffs I’m hungry.

              But no, it’s like you’re afraid to give an actual price because you don’t want to risk limiting the hypothetical maximum you can scam out of some sucker.

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                I have also worked as a server, briefly, at a corporate establishment. For each well paid server there is certainly one not making enough money.

                You’re still not getting the point: you choose to eat at a restaurant. If you’re just hungry and out of time and don’t feel like tipping, you’re able to patronize somewhere where the majority of the employees wage does not come from tips. Yes, every fast food place has those rip screens now and most people are ignoring them. I’m not talking about fast food employees, I’m talking about Jan at Bob’s greasy spoon diner or Tim at Chili’s.

                So, are you really arguing for using a server’s labor without compensating them for it?

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                  I’d just like to know the price of a ‘$10’ cheeseburger so I can make an informed decision. You’re refusal to state the actual price tells me everything I need to know.

                  And I’m not buying any of the servers labor, I’m buying a cheeseburger. The only business relationship I have here is between me and the business owner selling cheeseburgers. The only reason I came here is that I’m hungry for a delicious cheeseburger.

                  Are you really arguing about this from a device produced within a system where people in sweatshops get paid far less than servers and without even any possibility of tips? You must see the irony a bit…or did you somehow tip the sweatshop kids when you bought your phone/laptop? Or did you assume the entire chain of people who produced the device are paid fairly? I mean, sure, maybe they are (as unlikely as that is). But it’s going to take a whole lot of research to determine that or even come close to determining.

                  More than anything, I’d really just like to know how much currency I need to exchange for one cheeseburger listed on the menu for $10… but since the menu can’t be trusted. I’m asking, please, how much is that cheeseburger?

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    10 months ago
    1. Restaurants lobby US government to pay their staff less than minimum wage
    2. Restaurants tell customers if they want better service, they should tip their server
    3. Customers begrudgingly begin tipping their servers
    4. Sexually attractive female servers in their early 20s absolutely destroy, making people think there’s a scam at work (seriously, I’ve seen girls I’ve worked with go on back to back WEEKEND vacations to Cancun on their tips, and I live in Canada, but it’s not a scam, it’s just horny dudes simping for their server)
    5. People start to complain about tipping culture, seemingly blaming the server for just working a job and not the restaurant owner for paying their staff starvation wages (we are here right now)
    6. States mandate minimum wage for service industry staff
    7. Restaurant prices go up to pay for wages but tip culture begins to go away
    8. Servers are making less money so they go get easier jobs that pay the same (working in a restaurant can be fucking BRUTAL)
    9. Restaurants hire more and more Indian immigrants, while hard working, are indicative of an even larger societal problem
    10. Restaurant owners continue to make out like bandits, while customers and staff get shafted.
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    10 months ago

    Please! For the love of God! Get rid of tipping!

    I hate tipping! As the consumer I should not be responsible for proving a living wage for someone else’s employees!

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      10 months ago

      as a European I have to say both the Tipping culture and the not showing the full price in stores with VAT included is just mindblowing.

      It’s literally a culture of hiding true costs, weird af.

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            Again, it’s prevalent in the US market, not sure about others. They advertise say $199 / night, but when you go to check out, there’s something like a ~$35- $50 /night resort fee to “pay for amenities like WiFi/ gym /pool”. You can’t reject paying the fee, so your hotel room is actually like 25% higher than advertised.

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    Would fucking love it if we just got rid of tipping all together. Employers -not customers- should be responsible for providing employees good pay.

    Factor the difference into up front price of the food/service and be done with it.

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      Tipping was never the problem, subsidizing owner profits out of worker pay was.

      Tipping is freedom of expression for the customer. Wage is the obligation of the employer.

      If it isn’t a living wage the company shouldn’t exist. Full stop.

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          If Businesses don’t get a share of tips Square’s model dies and SE with it.

          That said their model dies if you grow a pair to hit zero tip and backcharge on poisoned delivery.

          Social engineering only works in this situation if you are a bitch.

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            If Businesses don’t get a share of tips Square’s model dies and SE with it.

            Not my problem to figure out their business model.

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      Couriers (DoorDash, GrubHub, UberEats, etc.) are not employees. They are contractors.

      There is no minimum wage for contractors. The base pay for these services don’t quite cover the $0.655 per mile that the IRS allows drivers to claim in travel expenses. The only money these drivers actually take home is customer tips.

      If you, as a customer, do not believe in tipping couriers directly, that’s perfectly fine, so long as you DO NOT use these services. As these drivers operate almost exclusively on tips, using these services without tipping is socially equivalent to begging in the streets.

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        As these drivers operate almost exclusively on tips, using these services without tipping is socially equivalent to begging in the streets.

        Imagine a system so broken you say shit like this lol.

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    It’s also bullshit that tipped workers rarely pay taxes on the vast majority of their earnings. We’re subsiding their wages, access to infrastructure, and social services.

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      Lmao this has got to be the most misplaced anger ever. You’re mad at people that don’t even make minimum wage aren’t paying taxes on the maybe $35k a year? How about the billionaires that basically don’t pay taxes? Maybe we should deal with that first.