“After several weeks of standoffs and violent confrontations between the army and demonstrators left many on both sides severely injured, a meeting held among the CCP’s top leadership on 1 June concluded with a decision to clear the square.[15][13][14] The troops advanced into central parts of Beijing on the city’s major thoroughfares in the early morning hours of 4 June and engaged in bloody clashes with demonstrators attempting to block them, in which many people – demonstrators, bystanders, and soldiers – were killed. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded.[16][17][18][19][20][21]”
When you go to Wikipedia, click on those numbers in the brackets
It’s what I learned in highschool and I see it repeated every time this discussion comes up, that there were a bunch of peaceful protesters inside the square, and tanks came over, machine gunned them, then ran the bodies over.
As with any historical event, the context and events proceeding and following it are vital to be able to actually understand it.
No AES state is or was a utopia, and we can’t learn from their mistakes if we don’t understand how and why they made them, and how they responded to them.
Understandable 🐕 China’s and really any country’s government obviously isn’t 100% bad or strictly worse than another, Idk a lot about Mao but I think killing a bunch of landlords and providing housing super super cheap is pretty awesome. Sorry if I was being super aggressive or anything, I just see a lot of people acting like bc dishonest western propaganda about socialist countries (and even just countries that oppose the US) exists that means they’re utopias and their government can do no wrong. It’s def more complex than hardliners on either side want to pretend it is. I wish I knew how to do more reliable research on anything around China, there’s good lessons to learn there, but it feels like there are almost no primary sources that aren’t CCP or western propaganda
“After several weeks of standoffs and violent confrontations between the army and demonstrators left many on both sides severely injured, a meeting held among the CCP’s top leadership on 1 June concluded with a decision to clear the square.[15][13][14] The troops advanced into central parts of Beijing on the city’s major thoroughfares in the early morning hours of 4 June and engaged in bloody clashes with demonstrators attempting to block them, in which many people – demonstrators, bystanders, and soldiers – were killed. Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded.[16][17][18][19][20][21]”
When you go to Wikipedia, click on those numbers in the brackets
As I said, there were clashes at major thoroughfares surrounding the square, there was not tanks gunning down masses of protesters inside the square.
Who said anything about tanks shooting people? Did you just make that up and denied it yourself? Lmao.
Student protesters where shot up and killed. Indiscriminataley. I could not fucking care less what type of pew pew was used.
It’s what I learned in highschool and I see it repeated every time this discussion comes up, that there were a bunch of peaceful protesters inside the square, and tanks came over, machine gunned them, then ran the bodies over.
ACAB
If that’s the cops’ response to being attacked then they (like all cops) deserved it. ACAB
I hope you didn’t read “cops responding with indiscriminate murder” to imply anything else.
Idk what to read from you, if you think cops responding with indiscriminate murder is bad, why the ccp apologia?
My take doesn’t begin and end with “china bad”.
As with any historical event, the context and events proceeding and following it are vital to be able to actually understand it.
No AES state is or was a utopia, and we can’t learn from their mistakes if we don’t understand how and why they made them, and how they responded to them.
Understandable 🐕 China’s and really any country’s government obviously isn’t 100% bad or strictly worse than another, Idk a lot about Mao but I think killing a bunch of landlords and providing housing super super cheap is pretty awesome. Sorry if I was being super aggressive or anything, I just see a lot of people acting like bc dishonest western propaganda about socialist countries (and even just countries that oppose the US) exists that means they’re utopias and their government can do no wrong. It’s def more complex than hardliners on either side want to pretend it is. I wish I knew how to do more reliable research on anything around China, there’s good lessons to learn there, but it feels like there are almost no primary sources that aren’t CCP or western propaganda
Yeah but if you don’t know what exact bullet they used or what they had for breakfast that morning then your argument is invalid I’m afraid /s