Hamas is literally an internationally recognized terrorist organization, proscribed by many countries including the UK and the Arab League.
CBC also refuses to call Hamas terrorists despite their government labeling them as such.
this thread is a disaster from front to back, so it’s being locked.
Yariv Mozer, the director of We Will Dance Again, a documentary film about the Nova festival, said that he had to agree with the BBC to not describe Hamas as a terrorist organization if he wanted it to air, according to an interview with The Hollywood Reporter on Tuesday.
The film, which is set to broadcast on the BBC on Thursday, contains unseen footage of the Hamas massacre at the festival on October 7. It was commissioned by BBC Storyville.
Mozer told The Hollywood Reporter that this was a concession he had to make if he wanted the film to be seen by the British public.
There’s the actual reason if anyone is interested.
Personally, if the documentary focuses on what Hamas did on that one day without addressing the actual reasons and events that led up to it as well as everything that happened afterwards than I would say it’s pretty biased. And I don’t mean biased in a pro-Hamas way.
without addressing the actual reasons and events that led up to it
Then it would need to include Palestinians starting war against Israel then losing a disproportionate number of citizens then always repeating the failed attacks expecting a different result? There is a word for that.
Most of the Jewish population are those fleeing persecution from Muslim nations.
The only persecution of Gazans in the few years leading up to Oct 7 was the border checks since they have imported munitions in the past which they attacked Israel with.
How far back in history do you want to go in a 90 minute documentary about the Nova massacre? It doesn’t actually matter now regardless of what each side says: Jews ain’t going anywhere and neither are the Arabs. A two-state solution is the only option.
Then it would need to include Palestinians starting war against Israel then losing a disproportionate number of citizens then always repeating the failed attacks expecting a different result? There is a word for that.
There already was a war. Death by a thousand tiny cuts is still a conflict. Just because the world didn’t talk about it doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. Palestine was already called the “largest open air prison” before the war started. A documentary that doesn’t at least touch on the treatment of Palestinians by Israel is like releasing a documentary about what the Black Lives Matter protests did to the cops in America and their image without explaining the history of blatant abuse they perpetrated on the African Americans.
The only persecution of Gazans in the few years leading up to Oct 7 was the border checks since they have imported munitions in the past which they attacked Israel with.
Just a little excerpt:
The comprehensive report, Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime against Humanity, sets out how massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians are all components of a system which amounts to apartheid under international law. This system is maintained by violations which Amnesty International found to constitute apartheid as a crime against humanity, as defined in the Rome Statute and Apartheid Convention.
How far back in history do you want to go in a 90 minute documentary about the Nova massacre?
The length of the documentary is not an excuse. If the director wants to make a documentary on what happened that day then that’s fine. But explaining the events as if they happened in a vacuum is not good journalism.
Your link is to Amnesty — one of the many “human rights” organizations unwittingly supporting terrorists who hijack and abuse our good-will and free speech in the West.
Read about Akhmed Chatayev. Arrested in Sweden with guns and explosives. Arrested in Ukraine with terrorist material. Arrested in Georgia for participating in a terrorist attack (Lopota incident). Arrested at the Bulgaria/Turkey border. Amnesty basically bailed him out. He’s the mastermind of the ISIS attack on the Istanbul airport (almost 50 dead). Luckily Georgian police eventually killed him in the end.
Amnesty international is a credible source and the atrocities Israel has committed to the Palestinian population is well documented in the report I provided along with many others.
I give you the actions of an entire government over decades and during one of the most brutal wars in modern history and you give me the actions of a single individual to counter it? Really?
The Amnesty article cites no examples of government mistreatment of Arabs in Israel.
Arabs in Israel are equal in law to Jews (except for military conscription). Arab LBTQI+ find refuge in Israel. Arab women and schoolgirls in Gaza have to wear a hijab but not the Arabs in Israel (where they can even dance if they like).
the border checks since they have imported munitions in the past which they attacked Israel with.
this is an outright lie.
Just because some people use hyperbole like “world’s largest outdoor prison” doesn’t make what I said a lie. Blame Egypt for controlling the Rafah border not Israel. They have seen what happened to Jordan and Lebanon when they allowed Palestinians in.
I give you a report documenting how Israel performed “massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians” and you’re response is to say the article cites no examples of mistreatment of Arabs in Israel? I tell you how officials have described Palestine as the largest open air prison and you dismiss it as hyperbole?
I had a feeling you were some kind troll but was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. This comment of yours just confirmed my suspicions. I’m not going to bother talking with you any more as it’s clear you are completely determined to wash over the sins of a government and that you have absolutely zero morals or ethics. Anybody reading this thread will be able to see just how wrong you are and how pointless it is to talk to someone like you, or even respect you.
I give you a report
You linked to an article which I looked at. It in turn linked to a 128 page report which I did not read because it does not have a Gaza section - and Gazan conditions leading up to Oct 7 was what you were responding to. Gaza was not anything like an “open air prison” until 2007 when Egypt closed the Southern Border shortly after Hamas took over: that was not Israel’s fault. Water supply issues in Gaza are caused by Hamas who boasted in a 2021 propaganda video showing themselves digging up water pipes to turn them into missiles. From 2014 to 2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza which could have been used to build civilian infrastructure but Hamas preferred to spend it militarily on its stated goal of ethnic cleansing of Jews “from the river to the sea”.
The Amnesty article cites no examples of government mistreatment of Arabs in Israel.
the article cites no examples of mistreatment of Arabs in Israel?
The article. Not the report.
Israel performed “massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians”
In Israel is was what you were meant to be responding to. There are plenty of Palestinians with citizenship in Israel. I think the West Bank settlement expansion is unjust but that is not the topic here.
The Amnesty article cites no examples of government mistreatment of Arabs in Israel.
I did not read the entire linked lengthy report but it seems to also show no examples in Gaza apart from the protests on the border where many people did not heed warnings to not approach the fence
you are completely determined to wash over the sins of a government
Nope I was trying to stick to the topic of BBC going against their own government’s designation of Hamas as terrorists. You would rather talk about wider issues.
Both sides are “losing the war”: Back in December there was a great prescient article criticising Israel and a companion article criticising Hamas.
Very few ProPals seem to do balance whereas plenty of people who try to understand Israel’s difficulty (in avoiding being wiped out by Hamas) do criticise Israel.
Netanyahu’s Likud party only won 11% of the vote and it took 5 attempts at a working coalition for them to resume power in the last election. There were two arrest warrants against him for corruption and over 100,000 citizens protested against the government changing the law to allow them to override their equivalent of a constitution.
which I did not read because it does not have a Gaza section
It’s quite clear you purposefully do not read a lot of anything. The section you say is missing regarding Gaza is literally in the table of contents:
Since you seem to neglect to do a lot of reading, OPT = Occupied Palestinian Territories.
Like I said, a sad little troll with no moral qualms or ethical standpoint.
Occupied Palestinian Territories
Gaza was not occupied prior to the terrorist attacks of October 7th.
I’m not sure proffering apologetics for war crimes is appropriate for Beehaw. Especially not when you clearly label Hamas as a terrorist organization and specifically not a legitimate steward of the civilian population’s will.
I’m not sure proffering apologetics for war crimes is appropriate for Beehaw.
ICC has identified (but not prosecuted) war crimes by Likud’s Netanyahu and Hamas’ Sinwar.
you clearly label Hamas as a terrorist organization
I named countries which proscribe Hamas as a terrorist organization. You obviously don’t agree with these governments and it is fair enough to express it like that but not fair to try to bully me into agreeing with you.
a legitimate steward of the civilian population’s will.
Hamas has not allowed elections in Gaza since they won power in 2007.
You’re presenting this all as people fleeing but even your wiki link presents a bunch of “pull” factors, making some of your text blue doesn’t automatically mean you’re providing good evidence for your arguments.
There’s the actual reason if anyone is interested.
That merely repeats the headline, it isn’t a reason.
What’s the plan op? Do you really think you’re gonna diversify opinion or change minds by being this combative in a thread you started, and had to have known was a spicy topic to begin with?
There are meaningful discussions to be had on the general topic but I don’t think your approach was very effective
