I’ve seen tables flipped, tv sets punched through, furniture thrown. And that’s just in the home.
How does one get to a place mentally where burning and destroying things, over a sportsball game seem a reasonable thing to do?
As on reddit, no one who does this is ever going to take accountability for it.(And no one who does this is going to be on Lemmy to begin with)
Miserable people who put all of their happiness in a weird location such as how your city’s sports team performs. That is how these clowns achieve emotional validation.
The sportsball team you cheer for is your tribe.
Your tribe meets up to go to war against other tribes regularly, you wear the same colors to recognize each other.
The goal is to beat the other tribe, show them who’s boss and acquire the shiny thing at the end.
The great thing is, you don’t even have to do anything to be part of the tribe, except wear the right colors and cheer (or boo) at the right time.It’s a pretty civilized way to channel our stone-age tribal urges into something that happens on a weekend, doesn’t interfere with your work, and can even be turned into profit. And sometimes a few things break, but that’s much better than the constant bloody feuds that were normal during most of human history.
What’s sportsball?
Perjorative term for all sports.
Mostly internet and I would imagine strongly correlated with those who are still angry they had an unpleasant high school experience.
Or those who think there’s an absurd amount of money and resources devoted to literally nothing productive. Every time the fuck cars people post about stadiums I really want to bitch about people who don’t live near or out in the country but seriously there’s WAY to much money spent on these places and events.
I really hate the “non productive” argument as you only see it with sports, not say, the video game or movie/tv industries. Just has this real whiff of “I don’t like this activity and I don’t see why anyone else should!”
Of all the non productive uses of money and time, at least sports has a bunch of ancillary benefits, especially for youth. I don’t imagine youth sports leagues, which keep kids in shape, keeps them doing something positive instead of the usual juvenile delinquent stuff we’d have been doing, teaching them to be a part of a team etc. And then those stadiums tend to get used for a bunch of cultural/musical events.
I don’t really have a problem with youth sports. But it shouldn’t be a “profession”. We shouldn’t allocate hundreds of acres of land for parking lots that are only used for barely half the year. Games and tv and movies advance tech at least and don’t each up billions and trillions of dollars of my money for shit I and many others will never use. There are dozens of studies on the utter uselessness of these facilities.
https://www.si.com/soccer/2015/05/01/ap-soc-brazil-useless-stadiums
They bring down the local economies and depending on the fans fanaticism can utterly destroy local towns after a bad kick or pass or whatever.
How much money and research has been devoted to proving that getting smacked in the head by a 400 lb wall of meat can cause concussions. Or more accurately to prove the misinformation that it wasn’t happening to be false.
Exactly. I used to think like this when younger, but I now see how stupid this mentality is. Basically anything we care about as humans is “non-productive”. Music, art, video games, musicals, movies, sports, etc. just because I don’t care about something doesn’t mean that it’s not important to someone else.
there’s this little human thing called emotions that you might have missed, and some people are real bad at controlling them. the reasons behind that can be varied, but often they have a stake in the game (as in they’ve bet on it or similar).
Because many of these people are just fucking dumb and don’t have much going on in their lives. Seriously talk to an ultra fan and all they do is talk and think about their club. They have wrapped their entire lives and persona around the club. When their club loses they feel like that’s an direct attack on their own person, because the club is all they are. So because they feel attacked they have this urge to defend and lash out. Combine that with booze and cocaine and multiply that with hundreds of bozos and you have yourself a riot.
I live next to a sports bar. And many of the patrons definitely have lost a couple of screws.
Last week in my city people rioted because they couldn’t watch their precious football game. Because the cops were on strike and the mayor banned the match because of that. It’s like these people can’t find joy in anything else. Just football, booze and cocaine. Basically Bread and Circuses.
The UK sports experience
Sportsball is kinda a shit term - you don’t have to like sports and yes society venerates it over far more important achievements/pursuits, but it’s a bit childish to refer to it in that way.
My theory is that a lot of that kind of poor behaviour is generally from men who have grown up with the toxic masculinity traits of believing that sad is bad, angry is manly. I’ve seen people openly weep over the outcomes of a game - I think these people are feeling the same emotions but haven’t been given the societal permission to express it in its true form. So they do angry instead. It’s not acceptable at all but that’s what I think the reason is.
Meh, sportsball sucks.
It’s also kind of childish to get offended at it, and even more childish to have your ego wrapped up in a game, especially one that you’re not even playing
I think its a perfectly fine term. It applies evenly to ball-based games; football, gridiron football, rugby, basketball, hockey, cricket, baseball, etc… Y’know? Sportsball. The behaviour is similar across the fanbases.
I would go ahead recommend and not be a pompous ass who says sportsball, you are not better than others or unique because you don’t like sports.
And then to answer your question I don’t think it has much to do with the sport itself.
- i think it’s the trigger not the cause.
- Big crowd+alcohol and other substances
- the crowd anonymity effect or whatever if it even has a name, if only one person in a crowd starts kicking over a trashcan and gets some cheers, it can and will quickly spread through the crowd who will start doing it and/or escalate what they do as they feel kinda safe, because they are not doing it alone. The same way when you do something you are kinda afraid to do doing it with a friend (if you had any) gives you more courage.
Or to quote Man in Black “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals, and you know it.”
Think about January 6, you think if you ask then individually if it’s a good idea to go to the capitol alone and overthrow try to overthrow a government and theyd probably call you stupid for the idea, but put them in a crowd where they mutually encourage each other and give each other a sense of security and they will go ahead and do it the dumb bastards.
And then to answer your question I don’t think it has much to do with the sport itself.
To think of another example, I’ve seen a lot more violent anger in living rooms triggered by a video game than a sporting event.
I have yet to see any video game cause a riot.
I personally can’t say why I would because I don’t but I can tell you why my friends do. Its because they drink a fuck ton of alcohol, bet way more money than they can afford and get caught up in the mob mentality.
Alpha male behavior up there with beating your girlfriend
Sometimes I think people forget we are animals, who have been acting civilized for a relatively short amount of time. Also, there are plenty of ways to damage our brains and increase aggression (violence, accidents, substances, etc).
When I was a kid I would get emotionally invested in the game, hoping my team would win and gritting my teeth because they might not.
I really cannot relate to this at all anymore. I might wish for my home team to win but if they don’t play well then that’s on them, and I am not going to lose sleep either way.
I can only guess that I got caught up in the games as a kid because my whole family was into them, rooting and clapping and groaning and swearing at the refs. I was small and my brain wasn’t fully formed and I just got caught up in that culture.
It looks patently ridiculous from the outside. But I guess some people’s entire society is so into sports that they reach adulthood with this tribalism intact. It is after all a form of entertainment and people crave excitement and something to care about.
I got sick of my emotions being caught up in an arbitrary thing that might go either way. It’s the same reason I hate holding stocks. When you wake up each day and see that you gained or lost money based on arbitrary forces you can’t control, it’s like having your emotions manipulated by RNG.
Gamers know that when a game is entirely driven by RNG its bullshit not worth playing.
You should see what happens when political tribalism takes place in the United States.
Strong emotions and financial strain with the working class at an all-time high, disdain towards other groups, and fights break out.
Assassination attempts and murder of activists and politicians due to disagreements.
I think it goes back to dividing the working class and keeping us entertained so we don’t pay attention to the status quo.
I think you’re missing two large parts; escapism and booze.
From the sportsball moniker, I imagine you aren’t a fan. Sometime, it’s worth it to go to a bar that supporters of whatever team go to. There’s something magic about hooting, hollering and cheering with a crowd of complete strangers about this one thing. And in that brief couple of hours, it becomes larger and more magic. And some folks chasing that feeling get drunk and go too far when it goes wrong.
You’re missing the final piece, gambling losses.
The easiest, but not necessarily the most applicable answer, is that it is possible to wager money on the outcome of sports games. Very large sums of money. Ruinous, life-altering sums.
The more common answer is that this is a sense of personality for some people. They identify with a certain sports team and spend a lot of their time cheering them on and building up the belief that they are the best team, undefeatable under any fair circumstance. When that team loses, they then take it personally. After all, if their team lost, could it mean they’re not actually the best team? Did I choose wrong?
No. Impossible. It’s those damn referees, blind as they are, missing the most obvious fouls and treating my team unfairly, punishing my team’s players more harshly for the tiniest infractions. Nay, not even that; my team didn’t break the rules; it’s that other team’s fault!
&c., &c., until you get bored.
It isn’t reasoning driving these decisions. It’s emotion. And before any of us get too haughty about it, it’s also a very human reaction. Humans were not designed to reason, we were designed to feel. And yes, everyone has a set of circumstances that will cause their logical processing to shut off and allow emotion to take control. It just might not be sports.
I’m just a little sad that there are people in the world who have lived such empty, passionless lives that they can’t conceive of being so excited and invested in something that they could lose their self control for a moment
You think the only reason people could find destructive, violent behaviour to be unusual or difficult to understand is because they have no passion in their own lives?
I’m just a little sad that there are people in the world who have grown up in such violent, loveless homes that they can’t conceive of finding violent behaviour over a sports game disgusting.
I wonder how many of wives and partners who get the shit kicked out of them when their passionate “alpha” male’s favourite team loses would agree with you. Oh it’s OK, he had just lived such a full, passionate life that he sometimes loses his self control for a moment.
