• hoodatninja@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    I mean it kind of needs to be both. But it’s hard to find a compelling reason why kids need their smartphones fully accessible during class.

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      Well, you can quickly search up some information. I don’t remember what it was, but I remember that once in middle school teacher said something I wasn’t quite sure about, but also I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t more sure. So I looked it up, seeing that I was right, I asked if it rather wasn’t meant to be that other thing, he checked too and indeed he was wrong.

      Also, my mind often wanders off. And it may happen that I suddenly can’t remember something. Could just be some word I could look up on my phone in less than a minute. Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can’t stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

      Next, spine. I am currently in high school. Phones are allowed here. Any time. So, I utilized my scanner and digitized one 500 or so page book I couldn’t find on the internet, and then used it as PDF instead of a physical book. It is less likely that I would forget my phone. I wish schools would have options for e-ink tablets instead of having to carry many heavy physical books. That used to be problem mostly in elementary school and middle school. Same goes for note taking.

      Obviously, the last example can be easily solved by modernization.

      Fast talking teachers. I can’t write that fast. I mean, I can, but then I can’t decipher my handwriting, which is already hard anyway. Voice recorder is a quick solution. Obviously, it is easier to look through notes than audio, but IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A REPLACEMENT FOR NOTES, just a help.

      But do take that with a pinch of salt. Especially in elementary school, I used to be one of those weird kids who greatly preferred being liked by the teacher over having friends. So even though I had a phone at the time, I never used it during classes because teachers disliked it.

      But at least during breaks it should be allowed. Otherwise kids will find much more dangerous ways to entertain themselves.

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        1 year ago

        Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can’t stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

        Option C: Write it down.

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            I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

            Bugging you until you remember? You write it so that you can’t forget and so it stops bugging you.

            Bugging you because you need that info itch scratched right now? Aka instant gratification. Then you have to learn to not need instant gratification. Seriously, it’s another skill.

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        If you want to teach kids how to look up information, you can create spaces for that. They don’t need unrestricted access to their smart phones to accomplish that throughout the day. Hell you can relax your policies as they grow up and show the maturity to handle having a smart phone in the classroom. If schools want to do that, I am all in favor of it. But they would have to start early and build a system, which is a lot to ask of already overworked educators.

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        … yes, my phoneless childhood was super dangerous. it’s amazing i survived a couple of decades without one!

        • I mean, comparing class with active kids throwing stuff around and ones just sitting and playing on their phones, I’d take the second. Cyber bullying may be hard to detect though, but it’s not like schools care either way.

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      Schools should just be one huge faraday cage. Kids have to learn to focus and pay attention.

      And they need to learn the curriculum

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            I mean, I’m doing quite well having gone though school without smart devices and 100% would have never gotten straight As if I had one when I was a kid. And I’m every type of ADHD you can be diagnosed as…

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        1 year ago

        I mean I’m not that extreme lmao that’s also a safety issue. Kids will be kids, they will not sit quietly all school day and be total lesson sponges lol

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          Of course not, but I think we should at least act as if they should.

          Knowing it’s not possible, though.

          My kids are in 5th, 3rd and 1st grade. I wouldn’t want them on their phones during class as they grow up.

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          How much of a safety issue would it really be? Cell phones didn’t really become a thing for my age range until high school. If there was an emergency, there was a landline in the classrooms.

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            I don’t think y’all realize that not a single staff member or administrator or any employee of the school would be able to use a phone either (other than landlines I guess?). Schools aren’t just full of students lol

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              other than landlines I guess?

              You mean that thing I specifically mentioned? Yes, I realize that. Would it be inconvenient? Yes, it absolutely would. Would it suck to work in that environment? Again, yes it would. If I’m just thinking about safety, I’m not sure it’s that much more unsafe.

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                It’s incredibly unsafe when you live in a society built around smartphones/tablets for health and safety tools to remove said smartphones.

                A faraday cage is a fun thought exercise but wholly impractical. A lot of emergency systems - such as amber alerts - rely on their connectivity. A lot of schools also give out laptops/tablets.

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                  It’s incredibly unsafe when you live in a society built around smartphones/tablets for health and safety tools to remove said smartphones.

                  But is it? Landlines can make the same emergency calls. A Faraday cage also doesn’t mean you can’t have an internal wifi that reaches outside that the staff can connect to, or even the students can connect through with a proxy controlling their connection.

                  I agree it’s impractical. But it doesn’t mean laptops and phones suddenly don’t work. They can still work within the cage and you can poke holes through it with a landline and a proxy to control traffic in and out.

                  Ultimately, it’s definitely not worth the engineering and the effort. I just don’t think that safety is the reason it is impractical.

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            Right? Somehow schools survived until at least the 2010s without every kid having a cellphone in them at all times.

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              We don’t live in that world anymore.

              Schools got by fine without the Internet until probably the mid-2000s. They got by fine without computers until probably the 90s. You can make that argument about literally anything in a school right now. We live in a society built around smart phones and tablets. We can’t just pretend we don’t.

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                Those were tools. Smart phones are a distraction for social media 99% of the time.

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                  I’m sorry - computers and the Internet are “just tools” but smart phones are not? Do I really need to unpack that?

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                    I already did unpack it: “Smart phones are a distraction for social media 99% of the time.”

                    Nor did I say the word “just”. You’re both ignoring what I did say and inserting your own words. They can be distractions with you know social media. But also back in my day they taught us Word, Excel, programming. You had a class with that. You didn’t need it in your pocket 24/7.

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              Ban pocket calculators because the abacus exists. Lazy kids aren’t learning how to do arithmetic because of them.

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          No, but the attention span kids have these days seem to be shortening. Phones and the current state of social media intake doesn’t help.

          That said, a faraday cage is absolutely too far, but they don’t need their phones when they should be focusing on the course.

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            No, but the attention span kids have these days seem to be shortening.

            I hear this a lot but have yet to see evidence/sources from anyone. It’s just “look around you.” I don’t find it particularly compelling. I didn’t exactly sit quietly as a kid myself.

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      Well, by their teenage years, why not all the reasons adults need smartphones fully accessible? Looking up information from authoritative sources? Emergency contact? Coordinating schedules for office hours?

      Schools often simultaneously demand more from children than workplaces do adults, and give them less opportunity to excel.

      I’m not saying work-inappropriate phone use should be accepted, but taking them away entirely is downright irresponsible. Just like schools who still demand students write on a notebook instead of using a laptop. Raise your hand if you had RSI-related issues for a decade or more after high school? We old people tend to forget how bad school used to be (and can be) for physical and mental health AND for learning.