So he wants to kill 90% of the populace in a geographical region.
How does anyone deny this is genocide?
I think their goal is to displace 90% into Egypt and kill the rest. Still genocide.
Where was it stated that the goal was to kill 90% of the population?
It is not possible to move 1.8 million people out of a region like Gaza without mass death. This is not some secret information that Israel doesn’t know. The state of Israel has demonstrated at every possible opportunity that at best it does not care and at worst that’s the goal.
This idiot doesn’t know when to shut up. This war started when Israel had the worst and most extremist government it’s ever had, there were many protests about it in the first half of 2023. That minister in particular is possibly the craziest of them, and easily the one least able to co-ordinate his statements with the rest of the government. It’s both a PR disaster for Israel and plain misleading information - this is not a policy that Israel has.
Unless I’m mistaken, he’s even been banned from cabinet meetings because of this kind of shit. So please, take everything he says with a mountain of salt.
Disclaimer: I’m Israeli. I know Israel is not handling this war remotely well, but it’s also not guilty of the extreme accusations the internet blames it for.
P.S. mods, if you decide to ban me (as another community did) then at least have the courtesy of informing the rest of the userbase about it, and ideally leave my comment intact. If you just delete and ban every comment that doesn’t uphold a specific viewpoint, you’re just making an echo chamber, and the whole community becomes more extremist by the day.
Mods here taking a Reddit approach to turning the conversation into shit. It’s wild to see develop so rapidly, what took years over there.
I’d honestly love to know more about what it’s like to be an Israeli right now. I’m adamantly pro cease-fire and have always been pro “let people keep their homes” and anti-apartheid, but never anti-Israeli citizen or Palestinian citizen to be fair. In the US we talk a lot about our government being colonizers and how the founding fathers shouldn’t be praised and we try to find ways to honor stolen land, albeit, it feels performative since I certainly can’t just give up my home if someone’s ancestor came back and asked for it. Anyways not to try to point too many fingers, but hopefully just offer a glimpse of my own moral dilemmas that feel impossible, I’m just wondering what the perspective is for you all? Is the segregation discussed? Is the foundation of Israel controversial among Israelis at all?
Yeah, he should have kept a lid on it like everyone else at the Wannsee Conference.
Disclaimer: I’m Israeli. I know Israel is not handling this war remotely well, but it’s also not guilty of the extreme accusations the internet blames it for.
It is guilty of genocide, and this is not an internet accusation.
this is not a policy that Israel has.
Yes, it does. It has been stated numerous time, the plan is another Nakba.
Thanks. This kind of reality check is very necessary.
ITT: genocidal crackers trying and failing to curry favor for their genocidal archsettler by invoking their personal boogeyman.
Yet again,
But remember, not a genocide.
It looks like Zionists were taking notes during the Holocaust
“What we do not understand is that while there were protests against Germany’s defensive action in this field, there was, on the other hand, no willingness to absorb the excess Jewish population emigrating from Germany.”
• Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of propaganda.
What the fuck. Fucking sickos.
The US is really fucked up on this. I mean Israel is a tactical ally, but how do you turn a blind eye to genocide?
The US hasn’t turned a blind eye to it. The US has been exerting pressure for lessened combat operations since the getgo.
Foreign policy is not about morality, it is about power.
There are 3 main powers in that region. Saudi Arabia, Iran and Israel. Right now the US has a lot of influence over both (power). If the US were to just drop Israel, then all of a sudden the US has no more power in the region.
The Israelis do not need us for weapons. Not only do they have their own military industrial complex, there are other 1st world powers who would happily sell arms to Israel for a chance to become the new most powerful influence in the region due to having Iran and Israel under their thumbs.
I swear, Americans are fucking stupid when it comes to how anything works and they have zero desire to learn. It’s no wonder that the US ends up with people like trump.
If you continue to provide funding and weapons to an ongoing genocide, you are 100% complicit. What you are suggesting is that the ends justify the means.
Say it with me. Foreign policy is about POWER, not morality. It is about power, influence, and power coupons.
Jesus, it’s like talking to literal children.
The power to do what? If it’s not the power to force morally good behaviour then it’s all pointless.
You don’t come off as an intellectual powerhouse buddy
I’m not your buddy, pal.
If you don’t see how Israel is undermining America’s soft power then idk what to say.
Having influence over something doesn’t mean that you control it. The US has exerted heavy influence to attempt to curb the worst of the Israeli impulses (full scale ground operations being one of the successful ones). But that does not mean that the US controls Israel.
Israel is hell bent on repeating every mistake that the US made post 9/11. The latest is the equivalent of the “mission accomplished” banner.
The next mistake(if they make it) is going to be expanding the scope of what they intend to do.
The argument is that we’re not using our strongest influence by virtue of not threatening to withhold arms (even though it would be in US interest to do so to preserve influence in the region). I am not arguing that the US controls Israel like some vassal state.
Those arms you are talking about have already been appropriated by Congress, UNTIL 2028!!!
But I’m guessing that you didn’t know that because it’s a lot easier to sit on social media and wax eloquent about how foreign policy should mirror morality.
Even if we could stop the arms shit, it wouldn’t matter. Israel has it’s own military industrial complex and there are several other countries that would happily trade with Israel to give the US influence over the region a black eye.
Do you understand? Israel does not NEED our stuff. Sure it helps, but you seem to be under the delusion that if we didn’t supply weapons they wouldn’t have any. That is woefully naive and incorrect.
“But why do we give it???”
To which I repeat: Foreign policy is about power and power coupons, not morality. This is the way it is, not the way it should be. Kissinger was a soulless ghoul, but he understood exactly what foreign policy is all about (which is the main reason why most of us hated him with a fiery passion). Nixon should have ensured that he took a long stroll on the deck of a submerged submarine, but alas, missed opportunities.
Maybe one day foreign policy will resemble morality, but that day will not come for a very, very, long time. If ever.
Yeah, we totally reined in their terror by giving them everything they wanted. Biden thinks if he is nice enough they will return in kind. He tends to use the same tactic when negotiating with Republicans 🤦♂️
What the fuck are you even talking about? Your comment makes no sense at all.
You talk about how foreign policy is about power and influence - I am saying Biden doesn’t understand how influence works as evidence by him not using his power to influence Israeli policy even though it is leading to a more volatile middle east and lower approval ratings at home. In other words, he is undermining his own influence. But go on and tell us how we’re children for expecting more.
What power do you think he has? You do realize that the Israelis do not need to rely on us for military aid, correct? You also do realize that there are a couple other world powers who are not allied with the US who would be very happy to cozy up to Israel which means that they would have much more power and influence in the Middle East because at that point it would be Israel and Iran.
I think you must be at least somewhat naive about just how right wing and authoritarian the Israeli government is.
If the US has no influence over Israel in regards to this conflict than that sounds like a critical policy failure and a huge geopolitical risk.
Edit: I’m curious what potential Israel allies you speak of that are not aligned with the US? Our own allies are distancing themselves from this clusterfuck.
If by turn a blind eye you mean supply vast majority of the weapons used to commit the genocide then sure.
Encouraging Jews to leave “voluntarily” was Hitler’s first step, too. Then when most people don’t want to leave their homes, you justify your escalation by saying you gave them a chance.
Yeah and back then it was Zionists who collaborated with him to populate Palestine with 60,000 German Jews.
It’s annoying making the comparison derails the conversation so much. Yeah, sure, one of the ethnicities involved happens to be repeating and that sucks, but that’s the one genocide people know stuff about.
Genocide is funny to you?
What!? Where did I say that??
I was complaining that you can’t compare the Holocaust to the current situation in Israel-Palestine at all, even when they do the exact same stuff, or a lot of people freak out.
You said Lol
Bit thick are you?
Saying the quiet part out loud again. Forced relocation through either terror or expatriation is Ethnic Cleansing. Ethnic Cleansing may fall under the Genocide Convention.
WTF?
We are there.
I will vote for Joe Biden if he publicly condemns Israel. From his lips. In an address to the nation.
I will not if he doesn’t.
Simple as that.
It’s a two party system. You vote Biden or get Trump. Trump has less problem with ethnic cleansing. If fact Trump is the kind that might try it in the US.
What’s the point of living if I have to vote for genocide?
You think Trump is less pro-genocide? Until you can change the system, you end up choosing who you think is less genocidy.
Edit: spelling
You misunderstand.
If my only choices are to vote for “genocide” and “more genocide”, why shouldn’t I cast a 9mm ballot into the roof of my mouth?
No, it is you don’t understand. You have a “Trolley problem”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
You don’t have the options you want to have. I’m sorry, but you don’t. We have to deal with the world as it is to have any chance to make it as we want it.
If I throw myself under the trolley wheels I might derail it. Happened in Tunisia.
“We won’t do genocide, but what about 90% genocide?”
I wonder if he literally meant 100, not 100,000.
Goebbels really has some crazy ideas there
Okay hear me out, what if, after you make sure each person isn’t hamas, you tattoo their arm, and…
Yes and maybe make it trackable, like a number or a barcode, just to make sure
I believe IBM could help with this.
It’s time to dismantle the Israeli state.
