Trump started off coherent, but ~30% in he went of the rails.
Kamala on the other hand looks like she has no strong values, she doesn’t seem like a Dem candidate. What kind of Dem candidate is pro fracking? Kamala honestly seems disingenuous.
Trump on the other hand didn’t form more than 20 complete sentences, so I can’t really call him disingenuous because he doesn’t seem to stand for anything
Yup here we go with the they’re equally bad fallacy
fallacy is when real thing I don’t like
They’re both going to make us all part, parcel, and accomplice to genocide, so… Yeah. That’s kind of my entire angle right now, is “who is going to make this aberration against history end faster, and who is going to end the cycle of genocidal settlerdom this country perpetuates faster”. By any means necessary at this point.
Genuinely, I won’t even consider social, domestic issues until it becomes clear to me that genocide has finally become a non-starter for the average Amerikan liberal; I no longer care. Either the genocide can end, or “grill-pilled” brunch-goer Amerikans can start getting uncomfy.
I think it’s time to watch the party die.
What kind of Dem candidate is pro fracking?
One who exists in a fucked up electoral system where the entire fate of our country rests upon a few thousand votes in western PA.
24 comments, zero about the American/Israeli genocide. Stay classy yanks!
Gotta remember this is a .world community, Lark; we both know there’s a staggering percentage of ghouls here more than happy to try and discourse with bloodied hands, bloodied jowls, and the remains of their last kill still visibly caught between their teeth.
Yeah I wasn’t paying attention to the comm. Still though, it should surely be a major topic. I don’t understand the American people at large.
My pet theory is that extreme atomization drains the empathic potential of the garden variety yankee to barely within their attempt at a nuclear family. Extendeds if you’re lucky. tl;dr they don’t have a reason to care.
Don’t feed the communist.
Says the over-fed techbro that still felt the need to comment…
I like to think that I have a decent grasp of the world, particularly as a Marxist. But sometimes I really struggle to get into the settler cultural mindset. I don’t want to read Settlers at this point in time because I’m already depressed and angry enough. I just can’t believe how quickly all of this became normal.
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collapse is less of an event, and more of a protracted decay and crumbling away of its structural integrity, out of which the existing contradictions which had been always simmering below the surface become increasingly sharp at points and times and ruptures along the fault lines begin to appear at increasing rates
I know you’re joking, but if the U.S. does actually collapse, very few people on the planet will have the fortune of being unaware.
Trump brought nothing but fear
The interesting thing is how people find ways around my politics filter all the time by using abbreviations. Is there no way to keep politics to the politics channels folks?
Kamala is the best version of a normal politician fighting against Trump. It remains to be seen if that’s enough, because he’s just so goddamn weird that it’s difficult to even compare Tool A to Problem B.
I think she’s incorporated virtually all of the strengths of any of her comparable peers, and almost none of their weaknesses. I think that, given the nature of the opponent and his total lack of seriousness, she said everything I would reasonably hope she would have said during this debate.
I also think that I don’t properly understand the collective psyche of the American electorate. I don’t understand how the election could be this close, when it is a choice between a serious, competent, passionate, talented professional, and a man who is literally a collection of all of the worst possible traits a person could have. That it could come down to such a narrow choice is a mystery for the ages.
Why does she raise her hands so high when she talks 😂😂
I watched Top Secret! for like the third time. It’s so funny! They don’t make 'em like that any more. Unless they do: in which case, please tell me the title!
Hes gonna lose, so not a bad thing.
Yeah, but we said that in 2016.
Technically, he did lose in 2016. Negative love for her too, like; enough that if I worked with ints I’d certainly have buffer underflowed by now-- but Hillary did win by three million. That should’ve been the liberal wakeup call, that you can win the popular and still get absolutely shafted by faithless electors.
The only reason I don’t really expect that to happen this time is how it sounded like even Fox was starting to turn on the spray-tan porky.
Who woulda guessed the former prosecutor out performed the convicted felon
Watched it for the lolz. Lots of rhetoric aimed at their bases, with very little in the name of actual policy, outside short slogans that got repeated 3 or 4 times over with next to no detail. Each trying to ‘gotcha’ the other and each tried to miscategorize the other a few times. Each echo chamber will claim their person won, yet as an outsider and non-American with no skin in the game, I would say they both did pretty poorly with both stating a couple of valid comments, but few and far between. A couple of ABC commentators later said the same.
Looking forward to the headlines cheerleading their pre-selected person on Wednesday. Each camp trying to out meme the other. Lastly, weren’t the microphones at the debate supposed to be muted when the other was talking? 'Cause they weren’t at times. This made the thing funnier. Would have been better with an actual audience. Otherwise, it looked so fake and performative.
Uh so one side rabbled louder than the other side who also rabbled.
Haven’t watched it, can’t care to.
I streamed it while I was working on other things but I thought it was pretty hilarious. Kamala seemed to be intentionally pushing Trumps buttons to derail him and he just could not accept that he is not universally loved.
Honestly though, given how Trump lies and Kamala was putting on a show the whole thing seemed so cynical and pointless. I’ve watched every presidential and vice presidential debate since Bush Jr.‘s second term even in the "good ol’ days" when it wasn’t just a sound bite circus very rarely was a president even able to achieve the lofty goals they pitched the American people on.
The whole thing is farcical in 2024. The lack of shared reality the Trump era has ushered in makes it next to impossible to trust anything a politician says. Kamala had spunk and moxy and was very down to earth and likeable, but policy wise she made a lot of statements the presidency doesn’t have the power to deliver on. Even with the insane power the supreme court gave the executive branch a few months ago.
Trump was Trump. It’s pretty clear how much his brain has rotted when you compare this debate with the one he had with Clinton. But otherwise you can’t trust a single word he says. His position on any matter is irrelevant because he’ll retcon it later if it’s inconvenient. Meanwhile Kamala vowed to continue helping our frenemies do some ethnic cleansing and spent most of the debate posturing for the idiots to stupid to already have an opinion.
Trump looked more incoherent this time than in the previous debates, what with the “immigrants are coming to eat your pets” line and other zingers like post-birth abortion nonsense. There were also some weird moments where he said stuff like “Kamala hates Israel,” prompting her to go off on her undying loyalty to Israel.
Harris was overall more presentable, but had some horrible policy moments, such as repeating debunked claims about sexual assault on October 7th as she restated her undying loyalty to Israel (which could materially cost her Michigan as Muslim voters are turning to Stein and Cornel West over Harris), or stating that Climate Change is an existential threat in one breath and promising to never ban fracking in the next, along with bragging about gas production.
Overall it’s a clear “win” for Harris over Trump if we are purely measuring debate performance, Harris looked far better and answered more coherently, though her environmental positions, immigration positions, and foreign policy are far to the right of where they should be.
this pretty much sums it up. I thought trump would be incoherent, but some of the stuff out of his mouth was borderline surreal. Harris had completely tuned herself to ‘beat’ trump, and while it worked, it’s painfully clear that she doesn’t have a single original thought - nothing but platitudes, the same canned phrases about working families and small businesses, same tired defence of Israel.
That pretty much sums them up nicely. Both represent the two sides of dying Empire.
Trump is a bit of a wrecking ball, his far-right populist rhetoric appeals to rising material frustrations with the Petite Bourgeoisie, ie small business owners and the like, along nationalist lines. Strong aesthetic patriotism, lack of consistency or coherence, promises of restoring grander times and power.
Harris is plucked straight from the stock-standard Empire maintainers. Her policies are largely Biden’s promises carried over, with firm Imperialist support for Israel and “the most lethal military in the world.” She isn’t attempting to appeal to fascists, but she is trying to appeal to those with vested interest in maintaining Imperial Hegemony. Small concessions and frequent doublespeak - claiming Climate Change is an existential threat in one breath, then boldly taking pride in record gas production and promising to never ban fracking in the next. She’s more coherent, which ironically makes the double-speak stand out clearer.
It would be funny if it wasn’t tragic.
two hitler-particle-emitting politicians sitting on a mountain of corpses, arguing over who can make the pile grow faster. so, par for the course as far as american elections go.
Is this about Israel? Don’t lie. Their policies are nothing alike.
Specifically: You claim that Kamala Harris wants to cause more deaths in the Israel-Palestine war, but during the debate she clearly laid out her policy goal being a ceasefire and a two-state solution. Are you misinformed, or are you yourself spreading misinformation?
is this what “working on a ceasefire” means to you?
this is the one image I can post. the other results of the current administration’s policy would get removed for gore. personally, I think if you’ve been “working on a ceasefire” for nearly a year now, and the result is 2000 lb bombs being dropped on tents in a refugee camp, then you’re not really working towards a ceasefire and are instead just lying.
this is not even mentioning policies on the homeless, immigrants, fracking, military spending, healthcare, all of which are significantly more to the right than they were in 2020. medicare for all isn’t even mentioned any more. dems used to advocate for a path to citizenship for immigrants, that’s gone out the window too.
What is that image? A bomb crater?
lmao of course you don’t know what it is. why would you know what it is, it’s not like you’re paying attention. yes, it’s a bomb crater. a 2000lb American made bomb, dropped on a tent city in Khan Younis. hundreds wiped out on an instant.
If you expected me to already know that exact image, why did you show it to me? I guessed correctly anyways, didn’t I?
Ya’ll idiots still on that whole “both parties are the same!” rhetoric. It’s old. You’re dumb. Go back to bed.
If “never again” ever meant anything to you hateful, downright fucking ghoulish hypocrites, the DNC, RNC and NATO logos, alongside the Amerikan flag, would be regarded with the same disdain and disgust that the swastika, the fasces, the death’s head, or the SS bolts get.
Slither your invertebrate ass into a grave.
