• jacksilver@lemmy.world
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    Yeah, the person above you seems to be ignoring the fact that them breaching their air space for the first time is an escalation, not to mention China has generally been escalating it’s rhetoric recently.

    It could be argued that China is feeling pressured to escalate (due to external events or US escalating trade/policy stances), but threatening a missile system is more signaling “keep this up and we’ll respond”.

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      Yeah, the person above you seems to be ignoring the fact that them breaching their air space for the first time is an escalation, not to mention China has generally been escalating it’s rhetoric recently.

      Surely this makes offensive missiles designed for nukes a proportional response to a plane with no weapons briefly dipping a toe into Japanese airspace over ocean on one of its several circles.

      I haven’t ignored anything, I’m just aware of how absurd this is. No one saying this is a reasonable response can claim to care about escalation.

      It could be argued that China is feeling pressured to escalate (due to external events or US escalating trade/policy stances), but threatening a missile system is more signaling “keep this up and we’ll respond”.

      By nuking them?

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        Just because a weapons platform is capable of using nuclear warheads doesn’t mean we are going to hand said warheads over. The system has plenty of conventional warheads. Deployment of a weapons system as a deterrent is proportional.

        You’re spreading Chinese lies.

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          Just because a weapons platform is capable of using nuclear warheads doesn’t mean we are going to hand said warheads over. The system has plenty of conventional warheads.

          The weapons system was prohibited specifically because of its use with nuclear weapons. This is its distinguishing feature. This is the “message” being sent, though it also isn’t just a message because it is an actual offensive weapon.

          Deployment of a weapons system as a deterrent is proportional.

          It is obviously not.

          You’re spreading Chinese lies.

          I am? Which ones? Are Chinese lies a special kind?

          Sounds to me like you are flirting with xenophobia.

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            2 months ago

            In the context of this particular discussion, China = The CCP ≠ The Chinese people.

            As far as which one are lies? Your entire post history is nothing but Chinese propaganda and lies.

            It’s not xenophobic to call out CCP bullshit like the shit you are spouting. That’s called being a good human.

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              In the context of this particular discussion, China = The CCP ≠ The Chinese people.

              I dunno, I think Chinese means Chinese. It sounds like you just throw this around as an epithet and it is sinophobic. Please do some reflection on whether you are okay with xenophobia.

              As far as which one are lies? Your entire post history is nothing but Chinese propaganda and lies.

              Name one from this comment chain.

              It’s not xenophobic to call out CCP bullshit like the shit you are spouting.

              Such as?

              That’s called being a good human.

              I don’t think it’s good human behavior to use xenophobic rhetoric.

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                I dunno

                I do. I clearly defined the usage, and don’t give two shits about projection from you, or your twisting of the definition.

                Name one from this comment chain.

                You have claimed, falsely, that China isn’t escalating violence against its neighbors.

                Everyone can see that you are, in fact, a CCP shill.

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                  I do. I clearly defined the usage, and don’t give two shits about projection from you, or your twisting of the definition.

                  Your conflation of something being Chinese with something being bad is xenophobic regardless of whether you want to pretend you can redefine it to mean something it doesn’t.

                  You have claimed, falsely, that China isn’t escalating violence against its neighbors.

                  I actually haven’t said anything like this. Please provide quotes with your claims because your recollection is incorrect.

                  Everyone can see that you are, in fact, a CCP shill.

                  Is that so? When can I expect to receive a check for my valiant effort in knowing installing a nuclear-capable missile is far more escalatory than the tiniest airspace toe dip of a flight path over ocean? Only the finest in professional propagandists could have such an opinion!

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                    Your conflation of something being Chinese with something being bad is xenophobic regardless of whether you want to pretend you can redefine it to mean something it doesn’t.

                    I never did that. You projected that, and just now, lied about it.