Homes, a maternity hospital, a shopping center, and a metro station were hit as part of the attacks. The attack may have been linked to the destruction of a Russian landing ship in Crimea.

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    11 months ago

    Murdering civilians is what Russia does. Ukraine achieves nothing by doing the same, yet will have plenty to lose by doing so. Why are you suggesting Ukraine stoop down to their level, which will likely result in the loss of support from its allies and legitimize Putin’s warmongering?

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        10 months ago

        … Do you honestly, sincerely believe that Putin cares if his people die? After everything he’s done to show otherwise?

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          10 months ago

          Putin certainly doesn’t care, but the people do. Until this war comes home to them, they have no incentive to do anything about it. As you say, Putin will be there forever conducting war until the people stop him. Or until Ukraine can take Moscow. But the west won’t allow that.

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            10 months ago

            If Ukraine starts bombing them then they sure will have an incentive to do something.

            Namely fight against Ukraine

            When you bomb someone they blame the people bombing them.

            Just ask Netanyahu how well he is getting rid of Hamas by bombing childrens hospitals. Hint: there is more Hamas now.

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              They are already universally supporting the war and fighting it. You are delusional to think otherwise. There can’t be more support than there is now. As long as supporting it means no consequences for most of the people in Moscow and St Petersburg, it will continue to grow. The only way for there to be any opposition is for Russians to feel the consequences because they care only about their own situation and nothing else.

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              9 months ago

              Support get any more solid in Russia, so leaving Putin to do as he wants with no real consequence to his supporters is not the way out of this. The only way out of this is if Putin is kicked out by force, and the only way for that to happen is for people to get fed up with this. We are already living in the worst case that you portray. Russians think this is a war that was started by NATO.

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        10 months ago

        Ukraine has an oligarch problem (with Putin at the head of it), not a Russia problem. Putin ultimately wants to exploit the resources of Ukraine unimpeded like he does in Russia - and he’s tried puppet governments, and the people fought back, so now he is trying force.

        Ukraine killing Russian civilians (who are also victims of Putin’s greed) is not going to deter Putin. Putin cares about one person - himself - and everything else is only a means to enriching and protecting himself and his status. He only cares about Russian civilians to the extent that those civilians living is in his best interests.

        So killing random Russian civilians is unlikely to achieve much except depriving some innocent family of some of its member. Targeting Putin and his property, oligarchs and generals is much more likely to make a real difference.

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        10 months ago

        Not at all. If anything it would just create more support in Russia. You think Putin would care about a few civilians?

        Hitting economic hot spots such as gas or military bases is way more effective

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          9 months ago

          The war really can’t have more support than it current does in Russia. Pretty much the whole country is actively or passively supporting it. So this theory has already been soundly debunked. The Russian people care only about their own situation, and until they feel the results of this war, there will be no real opposition. Support can’t go up from here, but with some help it can go down.