In a strange shift, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov was quoted as saying that Israel’s war on Gaza is identical to Moscow’s military operation against Ukraine.
The comments, attributed to Russia’s top diplomat, were cited by Russia Today in an interview on Thursday with RIA Novosti.
“The goals declared by Israel for its ongoing operation against Hamas militants in Gaza seem nearly identical to those put forward by Moscow in its campaign against the Ukrainian government,” RT quoted Lavrov as saying.
According to the Palestinian Ministry of Health, 21,320 Palestinians have been killed, and 55,603 wounded in Israel’s ongoing genocide in Gaza starting on October 7.
Palestinian and international estimates say that the majority of those killed and wounded are women and children.
Many international law experts have accused Israel of carrying out a genocide in the besieged Gaza Strip.
If what he is saying is that Russia wants the land known as Ukraine and Israel wants the land known as Gaza; I agree, Russia and Israel have similar goals.
And the USA is the innocent littler flower who never did nuffin in either place.
About as expected, sadly Russia and China likes doing both sides on Palestine. Infinitely better than what Brandon and the west are doing but still, L.
I so miss the USSR
I wouldn’t count out the substantial pressure of dual citizens and interest groups too, it’s not like the US is the only place that has an Israel lobby.
Looks like Palestinian liberation forces are armed with Chinese weapons. Remember that Chinese foreign policy is realpolitik, and doesn’t necessarily represent their ideological line.
If there’s one thing the Ukraine War should have taught everyone, it’s that you can never expect ideological consistency from Russia’s government or Russian propaganda.
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Every foreign policy has inconsistencies, but Russia’s are virtually unending. Also, let’s not devolve into whataboutism.
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Russia has in the past two years
- Claimed Ukrainians are really Russians, and Ukraine has no legitimacy as a nation.
- Claimed Russia is simply trying to remove Nazis from Ukraine.
- Claimed they are trying to save Russian speakers in Ukraine, despite the fact those same Russian speakers have suffered and died just the same as any other Ukrainians.
- Repeatedly bombed and terrorised Ukrainian civilians, including those Russian speakers.
- Claimed they are at war with NATO, but also made it illegal to call the Ukraine War a “war”.
- Despite being “at war with NATO”, they’ve moved forces away from the Finnish border to reinforce their units in Ukraine. Is (NATO member) Finland a threat or not?
- Annexed four Ukrainian oblasts, despite not even occupying them entirely.
- Said the west shouldn’t interfere in Russian affairs on the grounds of national sovereignty, despite invading their sovereign neighbour.
I could keep going, but you get the picture. It’s true that other governments have inconsistent policies, and I have agreed with that. But the sheer scale of Russian disinformation, distraction and destruction are far beyond those of other governments. And playing the “what about” card is nothing but a tactic of derailing the conversation; it adds nothing, just making the discourse confused and meaningless. We aren’t talking about “other countries”, we’re talking about Russia.
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Some push an actual ideology, but yeah, nationalistic self-interest is pretty common around the world.
Literally what other standard could a nation possibly use to engage in foreign relations? The difference between nations with the same ideology is their relative position in the global and regional power structures. The difference between nations with different ideologies is their understanding of what constitutes their national self-interest.
Wow, so cynical. You’re sounding a bit like the other end of the political spectrum there.
Ideally, actual concern for things like universal human rights would be considered. You could argue nobody really does that, but I’d argue it shows up a bit. The Soviet Union supported the crap out of any number of nations that were never going to pay them back (not least their own republics), and America actually tried building democracy in Afghanistan and basically lost the war because of it. It would have been pretty easy for them to just arm another brutal junta, or take the Chinese approach to central Asia and gradually eliminate or replace the local population entirely.
You sound delusional. The US lost the war because they tried to build democracy in Afghanistan? Listen to yourself. Honestly? There’s no possibility of having a conversation about national self interest and human rights factor in if you believe shit like the USA was genuinely motivated to build a real democracy in Afghanistan.
Get started deprogramming yourself. Listen to Blowback. Read they’re sources.
I don’t really like podcasts; I find it hard to catch everything they’re saying, or alternatively to listen through the parts where they’re not saying much. You’re better off citing Das Kapital like the other “anti-imperialists”. It’s barely readable but at least I can pull a quote without playing scribe.
Blowback is a highly produced audio miniseries. It’s a fundamentally different experience than an improvised free wheeling podcast. Listen to it before you make excuses for your miseducation.
It’s not even transactional, it’s embarrassing. Like the people leading the place
You know you’re doing something wrong when you’re doing the same thing as the Russians (I mean also when you’re doing genocide, but apparently that’s too little nuance nowadays).
Same objectives, speedrunning warcrimes and every form of genocide.
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Yeah because Ukraine has a real army. And air defenses, those are also important. Russia isn’t not evil, they’re failing at being evil.
Even when they don’t do a thing it’s because they wanted to. Brainwashed.
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Yes, because Russia is failing. Don’t get me wrong, I hate the West as much as you do, but the things Russia is doing in their occupied territories in Ukraine are only not currently genocide because they’re failing. Put another way, if Russia could they’d do to Ukraine what the IDF is doing to Gaza.
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You make no sense. They said Israel is commiting a genocide which is a western aligned country and Russia would be doing the same if Russia had the capacity. Then you throw whataboutism in and so much other noise that doesn’t even seem connected.
I’m not even sure if you think Israel is commiting a genocide or not.
Seems you need Russia to be the good guys and can’t accept that everyone is shitty.
You are failing to comprehend what is being said. There is no genocide being committed by Russia. The hypothesis that Russia would be committing genocide if it could is completely wild speculation without evidence. It is a bald faced assertion that Russia is evil, without even a hint of self awareness.
There is no evidence for this claim. There is no basis for this claim. The claim’s purpose is to establish that, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, Russia is at least as bad as Israel or the USA. The evidence demonstrates that this is not true, but the Westoid brain worms cannot consume this, so morons make up fanfic and present it as reality which their brain worms can feed on. It’s pure delusion to say Russia would be actively committing genocide if it had the means.
I feel this really downplays the American-backed atrocities happening in Palestine.
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I’m… not a Westerner.
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I mean not really? While not exactly the same, the Israeli and Russian treatment of the territory they occupied in their respective wars are similar in their complete and utter apathy for civilians. I mean Russia has been bombing hospitals and other civilian infrastructure, just like Israel (albeit with completely different amounts because again, Ukraine has a real army).
Put another way, if Ukraine had been systematically robbed of and denied the means to defend themselves like Gaza was, it’d also be in a similar situation. The critical difference here is that Ukraine is in a much better position to resist, not that Russia isn’t attempting genocide. Basically Russia is looking at Israel and saying “I wish this was me”, not “I’m better than that”.
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Yes, attacking an enemy nation with an army is very different from attacking a concentration camp.
What are the forms of genocide?
