My first impressions with cosmic were terrible to say the least. Amongst the sea of complete dealbreaker issues (horrible stutter and lag, inability to use 240hz, mouse sensitivity not working, etc) the general implementations atm are janky to say the least, tons of empty menus, wasted space, small annoying bugs.

I do realize it’s an alpha, though, so I won’t focus on the “small bugs” that can probably be fixed in 15 mins and will be fixed… in the future.

The current design language, IMO, is one of the worst I’ve seen in a while, but I don’t wanna focus on this as it’s all subjective, after all.

In this blogpost I want to focus on the broader ideology behind it, the direction and selling points.

Are we out of our minds? It’s a barely functional alpha. All those quotes (and those are just a few) are at best running on “hopes and prayers” and not the actual experience. What foundation? Moving floating windows? MS Windows 3.0 had that. What potential? To… add more code? Just like to… anything at this stage?!

Cosmic is a desktop that, for now, to me, has no goal. Is not catchy. Has not much to offer. I don’t know where System76 wants to take it, but if this doesn’t change, it’s not difficult for me to imagine a future where Cosmic ends up like Unity or Mir. Forgotten and barely used.

It’s receiving a lot of overly-positive reviews based on hopes and prayers, with little to be based on reality, or what we have right now.

This, adding to the aggresive marketing, makes the developers already quite hostile to negative feedback.

Cosmic is, in my opinion, on a not-so-good path at the moment, despite what those news outlets might claim.

Even though this is a quite negative blogpost, if any of the developers at Cosmic are reading this: Stop riding on the great reviews. Accept criticism, because you know full well Cosmic is very rough at the moment. Criticism is the thing that will drive your code forward.

  • theshatterstone54@feddit.uk
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    22 days ago

    I don’t completely disagree with him on some points. Here’s what I have to say:

    Cosmic is not my direct competitor

    Okay, I know what I just said but I completely disagree with this. COSMIC has tiling (sort of), has pretty much all the features of a tiling wm, is more user friendly to configure than Hyprland, is on Wayland so “modern”, and has animations, rounded corners, etc so it’s in direct competition with the main thing Hyprland brings to the table.

    My first impressions with COSMIC were terrible

    Umm… alpha much? Or should I remind you of the sorry mess Hyprland was in its own early days?

    I’ve seen a few posts / videos that criticize Cosmic get downvoted and bullied to hell, especially on Reddit.

    It’s Reddit. It’s either tribalism or hivemind. Pick your poison. Eather way, the result is as you describe.

    All those quotes (and those are just a few) are at best running on “hopes and prayers” and not the actual experience.

    Man, I kinda wish nobody believed in Hyprland now. Those same points could have been applied to Hyprland but people believed and here we are. It almost sounds as if you’re jealous of the team, or resources, or pace of development they have?

    Someone might say “oh what are we supposed to say then”, to which I say: simple. Say what you see. Claiming this is the next coming of God will hurt it more than help it.

    Okay, I kinda agree. I think it’s important not to be brutal to them. They have written not just a WM like you, they’ve written an f-ing Desktop! Apps, settings, and even the entire GUI library it’s all written on, and based it on a completely new Compositor library, smithay, which they’ve also had to heavily contribute to. What you did can be done by any one person with enough drive, motivation and knowledge (except the independence rewrite, that would take an absolute doofus who can’t simply apologise and treat humans normally. I often find myself hating people too, but I still give them the benefit of the doubt and a basic level of respect until they lose it. Maybe Hyprland could have been a leading force, a representative for tiling WMs in wlroots, pushing innovation forward and providing another point of view, but you fucking blew it. But I digress.)

    Where do you go Cosmic? And why would you want to? So far, all I can see is three reasons: Rust, Tiling, “We’ll implement what GNOME won’t”

    Is that any different to why other DEs exist? GNOME exists cuz simple, default, polished, GTK. KDE Plasma is powerful, modern, QT. Cinnamon is simple, more customisable, GTK. XFCE is minimal, customisable, GTK. COSMIC is Rust, Iced, Smithay, Tiling, customisable, Wayland-only (and thus Wayland-first), “We’ll implement what GNOME won’t”. The way I see it, COSMIC has a lot going for it. But even if it didn’t, wouldn’t Tiling, A new voice for Wayland, and the first Wayland-only DE be enough?

    Okay, I think I’ll end it here, because I’m devolving into cheap bickering and personal insults. But what I see is that Vaxry is likely jealous and is trying to undermine what COSMIC has achieved.

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      20 days ago

      COSMIC is Rust, Iced, Smithay, Tiling, customisable, Wayland-only (and thus Wayland-first),

      what is iced? i dont care about smithay, why should I? customisable as a feature? ever DE is except Gnome, I guess?

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      21 days ago

      Ignoring the original post, I wanted to pick up on what you said right at the end.

      Something I’ve never understood is, what impact is using iced going to have on app compatiblity? Are we going to need compatibility layers for GTK and QT, like with Cinnamon displaying QT apps, with the associated jankiness?

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        21 days ago

        Uh, Cinnamon does not need a compatibility app to run Qt apps. No desktop environment does. You mostly just need to be X11 or Wayland compliant. The same is true with GTK.

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        21 days ago

        You don’t need a compatibility layer. It just runs. Now for the theming, getting GTK themed is built-in under Theming->Experimental while QT theming is not there yet.