Assuming there’s nothing stopping you from legally voting

  • OsaErisXero@kbin.run
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    4 months ago

    Of course the ballot isn’t literally, “do u want fascism or nah”

    This specific election is literally just this

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      4 months ago

      If you’re speaking hyperbolically, sure. But when you’re trying to have a genuine conversation with someone regarding a serious topic, using hyperbolic speech to belittle someone’s position is pretty lame

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        4 months ago

        I’ve voted in every election since Bush senior in 1988 and I do not believe the other guy is speaking hyperbolically at all. It’s so different this time. It truly is.

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          4 months ago

          I feel like everyone that is arguing with what I’ve said thinks that I don’t agree that a Trump presidency will result in a huge increase in fascist ideology. It will be absolutely terrible if the man gets elected again and it absolutely will have drastic consequences to the US government.

          This does not change the fact that LITERALLY, the ballot is between Biden and Trump, not between Fascism and Not-Fascism.

          If someone is on the fence about something and you talk to them like there’s only one logical option (even if there is only one logical option), the immediate reaction will almost be a defensive one, and rarely will they be persuaded to your way of thinking. Like the abortion example I gave above; if you were on the fence about abortion, and someone asked you if you thought murder was wrong, that would be a fair sign that they aren’t presenting a good-faith discussion, and just want to brow-beat you in to their opinion. If you ask someone who (somehow) hasn’t paid attention to politics in the last decade if they want to let [presidential candidate] turn the country into [bad thing], you’re not opening a fair discussion, even if it’s most likely true that the outcome you describe is the one we will see.

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        4 months ago

        If you’re speaking hyperbolically, sure.

        They are not. If trump wins many people will die. And he will be the new forever king of America.

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          4 months ago

          Ok, but LITERALLY, the ballot says Donald Trump or Joe Biden. HYPERBOLICALLY it says fascism or not. Words don’t just mean whatever we want them to mean, and if someone isn’t already on board with Trump = fascism (which, don’t get me wrong, I’m 100% on that boat), phrasing things in pointed, biased ways isn’t going to convince them that we’re the side of reason.

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            4 months ago

            phrasing things in pointed, biased ways isn’t going to convince them that we’re the side of reason.

            There is literally no way to reason these people out of the position they didn’t reason themselves into. I’m of the firm belief that we need to be heckling, calling out, and generally being as rude and mean as possible to Nazis. Make the fuckers squirm back into their hole.

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        4 months ago

        You are as pathetic as your weak defense of abandoning your most important civic duty. Your weakness hurts us all. Shame on you.