I know they’re going to say it is only jokes. Fuck that. I get y’all want to be edgelords, but this is the most dangerous thing that has happened this century. I would be surprised now if we make it to the end of the year without some people getting assassinated for real, and it will target overwhelmingly the leftest end of the spectrum.
Example, example, example. There are others.
Y’all are on the precipice of finding out firsthand the difference between “OMG I’m so oppressed, the police are racist and I’m struggling to pay my bills, civil war y’all” and “OMG I’m so oppressed, a gang of big violent fuckers with bats and boots and the support of the government just attacked my whole community, seriously hurt me, and burned part of my house down. They told us if they find us here tomorrow, they’ll kill us.”
Remember that plenty of users from other instances can also comment.
At this stage, one of the two dying before the election is the only thing that will stop an ultra conservative 8-1 supreme court for the next 30 years
Pizza Cutters.
All edge, no point.
Haven’t heard that before, but I like it.
And people ask me why I distrust ‘Chaos’ at the fucking Democrats convention.
I don’t fucking trust the left. Good job fucking this up so far. The rest of us will need to work harder to keep Trump out of office now, and the far left is making things worse.
I don’t trust y’all to come up with a reasonable candidate aside from Biden or Harris.
At least Biden / Harris are being adults today.
I don’t fucking trust the left.
This is so reductive as to be completely meaningless.
The far left are already fucking this up. Look at these dumbass edge lords.
What are you bringing the “far left” up for? I don’t think you understand what you’re on about.
Idk about the people in this thread; the accounts and that whole blahaj genre of left is unfamiliar to me so I can’t say. But I will say that some of the other super “left” accounts that I have observed being super amped up about not voting for Biden being real important, and not really being all that convincing about other aspects of their left persona, have pivoted seamlessly into being super amped up about how this is a good thing and everyone on the left in the US needs to do a lot more of it.
I bet that a lot of the leftists are Russian trolls.
Remember we live in divided times. Keep an eye out for the reasonable people. We need to stick together.
It’s easier than ever to spread distrust right now. And we have to deal with a foreign adversary who will 100% try to turn this violent.
Russians played the Black Lives Matter vs Blue Lives Matter and tried to make both sides distrust. It’s not just our base instincts at play here, but also foreign interference from our enemies at play.
100%
And a lot of people work by emotion and groupthink and really want someone who’s super confident with their presentation, who can tell them how to look at it in some satisfying exciting way, and want to follow the presented thought patterns. It actually works really well.
Guys, those of you (what percentage Idk; for all I know it could be 100%, too) who are US left people - taking potshots of violence at a fascist movement is about like eliminating the wasp’s nest by going up and trying to destroy it with a ball point pen.
How could the far left be fucking anything up in this country when the far left doesn’t hold any real power here? How about you say things that actually make sense.
Good job fucking this up so far.
Who? What?
Edgelords who are serious (or even joking) about this tragedy.
Tomorrow at the RNC, watch it. Every right-winger will be using this as proof of political violence and blame the left.
And the left will be angered and make more edgelords jokes and we lose the election in a few months. Well, at the current path anyway. None of this shit helps.
With luck, cooler heads prevail and people remember why we have a calm President like Biden in charge right now.
But now DNC will have this shit hanging over it. Just a few shitty protesters will make everyone in the country hate Democrats.
Why are you associating all “edgelords” with “the left”?
You’re… blaming the DNC? For some randoms saying stupid shit on the internet…
This elected moron things Biden ordered it, is he being an edgelord and are you going to criticise him?
Sorry guys I’m just here for the comments…
Sir is that seat taken? Thank you very muchY’all are on the precipice of finding out firsthand the difference between “OMG I’m so oppressed
Sounds like the perspective of a privileged person who’s life hasn’t been in danger for years because of this person. Why is it bad to celebrate the misfortune of a person who has caused massive harm and is promising to eradicate your kind?
Because you’re not seeing the big picture. Zoom out and see how the right is going to weaponize this.
Plus, the whole advocating for political violence is NOT a sign of a healthy society NOR a sign of a society heading in the right direction.
What you’re seeing is gallows humor.
I’m trans. Trump is going to win. The shooter (who was a registered Republican, by the way) has guaranteed that. I’m fucked. My whole community is fucked. We all know that. And the only way many of us aren’t sobbing uncontrollably is by dark humor like this.
I’m not saying it was a smart thing for the shooter to do, or that I’m celebrating this event or what it could’ve been, I’m just saying that it’s perfectly normal and understandable for an oppressed peoples to not have sympathy for the misfortune of their oppressor.
Plus, the whole advocating for political violence is NOT a sign of a healthy society
Yes, we are not a healthy society
The thing I think you might be missing here is that: regardless of any external factors, the right is going to weaponize this. This is not a healthy society, and based on available data it is not heading in the right direction, and people coping with memes on the internet is not going to change any of that. With the level of rhetoric coming out of the right (and some, but a non-zero amount from the left/center), and with the escalation of violence in this year alone, getting to the point where people are going to be taking shots at public officials (or candidates, in this case) was an inevitability. The only outstanding question was who, when, where, and by whom. And of course, when the next one’s coming.
There’s no amount of ‘high road’ that will change this. All we have is that the victims this time weren’t a bunch of innocent kids, they were fascists at a fascist rally, and, for tonight at least, I’m not going to pretend I’m upset about that.
Stop pretending like our society has been healthy for any amount of time in the past 8 years
If you are celebrating this because it’s a step in the right direction as far as your life being in danger from Trump and his followers, you have a lack of grasp of reality that implies pretty strongly a position of privilege and safety.
Yes, Trump is incredibly dangerous. For that reason I would rather fight him with methods that work, and not methods that make things exponentially worse. If that makes me privileged, then call me Privilege McPrivilegeson.
Trump is incredibly dangerous. For that reason I would rather fight him with methods that work,
Because non-violence has been so effective at stopping fascism historically?
Read “How Democracies Die” for a pretty good breakdown. The question isn’t really violence versus non violence, but escalating the breakdown of democratic norms versus trying to maintain them.
I don’t care how oppressed you think you are right now; this has the potential to make it much, much, much worse.
I get what you’re saying. But labeling an assasination attempt as misfortune is a little disingenuous don’t you think?
I don’t think that political violence shouldn’t be celebrated or even slightly accepted. It’s not the solution. If you don’t mind people celebrating the assasination attempt of Trump.
You also don’t have to mind people celebrating a potential attempt on Biden, or any other politician. And I don’t think you actually want to do that.
I don’t like him either. But when you start shooting/assasinating politicians you don’t agree with you end up like Mexico or Russia.
I see you have chosen the lawful stupid alignment. Good for you.
Would you like to expand on your reply? Not sure what you are trying to say.
You want political assasinations to be an accepted part of day to day business?
Idk when the one that’s trying to murder you and your whole family and friends because there different gets shot. It’s celebrating the little things they barley have to end the Nazis
Go away and take your American politics with you. Cry somewhere else.
I for one am here exclusively for the too soon jokes and have noticed a distinct lack of them.
You can try lecture me all you want but its probably going to go in one ear and hit someone else at the rally.
I’m sure there are more than a few edge lords just shitposting away. I’d guess there are others who haven’t bothered to think through the implications for the future of democracy in the US that an assassination would bring about.
OP and the posters I’ve seen with similar thoughts just make me wonder if they would have said similar things about the failed plot to assassinate Hilter on the 20th of June, 1944.
Ah yes, those well know 1944 elections that everyone was trying to keep on an even keel to avoid a real spasm of violence, or literal death camps, from coming about. Who could forget how instrumental the assassination plot was, in preventing that outcome, before anything bad could happen.
(The Reichstag Fire is a lot better example)
You fuckers are turning Donald Trump into the next Regan. We will literally never hear the end of this for the rest of our lives.
A successful assassination would have turned Trump into a martyr and only embolded the far right.
A failed on: this case, will only embolden Donald Trump himself and the religious right will now see it as a sign that he’s been chosen by God himself.
Good job fuckers. You are making us lose the election. And leftists are edgelording as if this was a good thing.
then do something. it’s already happened. what now? post your woes on lemmy?
Yes. Unironically.
Now is the time for me to point out how short sighted and annoyingly stupid some left wingers are.
We have a few short weeks before the DNC. We need to come together and determine if Biden quits and who should replace him if he does.
Who will be at the DNC? Far left fuckers. Do you want to give them the microphone in this political setting? Or do we just stick with Biden or Harris?
Seriously. Think about what this entails for short term plans.
doesn’t matter. i’ll vote blue no matter who because i understand how the game works.
I’m glad you and me are together for voting.
But coming up with a strategy to win Arizona, Pennsylvania and Michigan is now harder than ever.
We probably just lost Pennsylvania over this. This assassination attempt was in that State.
vote blue, buy guns. it’s pretty simple.
now is not a time for pacifism. if you’re a scared little bitch, move to canada. i’ll fight the fucking fascists. i’ll die fighting the facists if i have to, but i don’t plan on fighting losing battles. some of us wear chaotic good tshirts and spend our time banning the good guys. i AM CHAOTIC GOOD and i spend my time at TARGET PRACTICE.
now is not a time for pacifism
Not wanting to celebrate an assassination attempt =! pacifism
stfu pacifist
Read a book.
I know how to shoot, too. I haven’t done it for a long time. I’ve had friends in the military, known people who talked about killing people, having nightmares, saw them having trouble adjusting back to normal society and trying to deal with it. It’s not really my world; I’m not familiar at all, but I’ve seen enough little touches about it second or third hand to at least hear some little stories.
You have not the slightest fucking clue what you’re talking about unleashing, like it’s a big game you’re playing. Not an inkling of a fraction.
pussy
This is just in general a fascinating comment thread overall
I didn’t expect to see gendered, arguably sexist, insults on blahaj. But I guess today is a strange day.
On blahaj? It’s a non blahaj user posting to a non blahaj community? It wasn’t really “on” blahaj in any meaningful way.
Yeah. I have no interest in trying to talk these people into being different. I wanted more to point out to everyone else how hilariously wrong they are, and also, hey maybe we should defederate from these guys if their consensus view is on the pro assassination side in a big way.
You decided to stir up some drama towards some of the people most at risk from Trump gaining power, because they made some jokes about him, despite him being alive and healthy. You’re not the good guy in this story…
grow a pair, pussy
Be the person Fred Rogers knew you could be.
mr rogers would definitely punch a fascist. grow a pair.
Jokes aside: I hope you have a nice rest of your weekend and can work out whatever is making you lash out at everyone so aggressively.
That’s what I mean about the thread being fascinating. This dude in particular is all over the place.
You right
And you agree with that piece of shit? What are you even doing on Blahaj? Get lost, traitor.
I read that as “I spend my time at TARGET”
They have a SURPRISINGLY ROBUST BOARD GAME SECTION
So your argument is nobody should make jokes because you’re afraid of his followers rioting…
What’s your opinion on jokes on Islam and the prophet Mohammed? Because we occasionally have similar discussions. Like back then, when people were afraid of terrorist attacks because of the Mohammed caricatures and people already got stabbed, flags burned etc…
Of course we could outlaw offending people who are easily offended. Currently that isn’t the case and people are allowed to use dark humour to cope with things.
Back then, with the caricature situation, we concluded we have to defend democracy and our values… Even at the cost of someone blowing up a subway station and a few hundred people. But there was the same big argument, and some people didn’t agree.
I’m not saying nobody should make edgelord jokes in general. I’m saying that no one should be speaking approvingly, whether joking or not, about something that is such a mind-bogglingly terrifying development.
If someone went into a mosque and shot up the place, but missed a bunch of kids, and someone posted a meme suggesting they needed to do better because their score was way down in C tier, I would be appalled for the same reasons I am appalled by this.
But isn’t that besides your initial question? I think we can all agree that shooting people is wrong in 99.9% of cases and should be condemned. I suppose even the majority of edgelords will agree if you ask them for their true opinion and they’d share that.
But as I understand that wasn’t your question? Your question was if it’s okay to crack jokes about bad things. Or if you can anticipate a joke will lead to negative consequences?! That’s why I’m drawing that parallel…
And it’s a different question. Commiting a crime and talking about it (in whatever form) are two seperate things and need to be discussed seperately.
… The thing they’ve been shouting in my face that they want to do, for years? They’re gonna still want to do it?
They’re gonna weaponize this? As opposed to every other fucking thing in existence that they weaponize?
I’m not even one of the people saying the things you take issue with, but wake the fuck up lol.
And where are you when we’re the ones actually getting killed and murdered? Fuck off with that shit, @mozz@mbin.grits.dev.
You haven’t been murdered yet. Now, you might be, and people are making jokes about the situation.
My concern about you maybe getting murdered because of what gets inflamed by this is exactly what I think it’s wrong, and that the people who are happy about it are terrifyingly mistaken.
