If I don’t believe posting can convince someone I should not be trying, you get that right?
The initial response of “you must believe posting can change minds or you wouldn’t be posting”…you understand that’s the point I started focusing on correct?
Third point is: I do not believe discussing this with you will change your mind because of point one and two together, are you still with me?
Fourth point is: any reasonably observer whom believes I mean what I say in point 1 believes me less the more I explain myself.
Fifth point: If I was to change your mind my position that posting doesn’t change minds is automatically invalidated, correct?
Sixth point: all of the extra wishy washy shit is you watching me try to find if my personal truth is that I believe point one, and if so why am I still in the conversation.
We’re talking about an analysis of truth and hypocrisy here, not solipsism.
How can you not follow this yet?
If you follow that you should understand that if I were to succeed in convincing you online posts don’t change minds I would immediately have proved myself wrong, and the basis of your conversion would be the conversation that ended my belief.
At this point, you’re just kind of bloviating. Like, none of the points on their own is particularly confusing - although if you don’t see the inherent contradictions I wonder if you’re even listening to yourself, you seem to explicitly acknowledge them - I just don’t know what the point of it all is. Like, you need to do some work to help me understand what you’re actually trying to say. I’m not your therapist. Either you have something you want me to respond to or you don’t.
The initial response of “you must believe posting can change minds or you wouldn’t be posting”…you understand that’s the point I started focusing on correct?
That is literally not what I said. I could repeat it, but you would have to tell me you’re curious to understand me or I’m not going to bother at this point. I’ve already asked you that and you ignored it, but you seemed troubled so I let it slide. I’m done with that. If you won’t meet me halfway in this conversation then you can carry on wanking in the corner, but I’m not going to watch.
Posting “posting isn’t praxis” isn’t praxis either. But like, there is value in theory, and you must believe that or else you would’ve believed it was pointless to post “posting isn’t praxis”.
You didn’t say this?
You think throwing the word theory in there changes the meaning significantly?
You are too clever by half my friend.
THE CONTRADICTION IS THE POINT.
Nothing is designed to convince you of anything, none of this. If I convince you I am immediately wrong. Please get it. Please think. Please I’ve never had to make something so simplified for a self professed “debater”. This isn’t a debate! This is me telling you why debating is pointless and you insisting I’m losing a debate.
THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU TO CHANGE MY MIND (about posting changing minds) IS TO CHANGE YOURS. IF YOU CHANGE YOURS YOU PROVE YOUR NEW POSITION AND MY CURRENT POSITION WRONG. THUS THERE IS NO WIN STATE FOR MY STATEMENT, IT IS UNPROVABLE.
“you must believe posting can change minds or you wouldn’t be posting”
vs
But like, there is value in theory, and you must believe that or else you would’ve believed it was pointless to post “posting isn’t praxis”.
Those are two different things.
Also:
you insisting I’m losing a debate.
Yet another thing that I literally never said. You couldn’t have made it clearer that you’re not listening and not interested in anything I have to say.
You haven’t convinced me that it’s impossible to change minds, but you have convinced me that you personally can’t be convinced of anything as you are right now, and that you personally are incapable of convincing other people of anything on purpose. I guess I agree that you’re a mess, that’s something you said and which I took on board. Does that count?
Ok so the crux is:
If I don’t believe posting can convince someone I should not be trying, you get that right?
The initial response of “you must believe posting can change minds or you wouldn’t be posting”…you understand that’s the point I started focusing on correct?
Third point is: I do not believe discussing this with you will change your mind because of point one and two together, are you still with me?
Fourth point is: any reasonably observer whom believes I mean what I say in point 1 believes me less the more I explain myself.
Fifth point: If I was to change your mind my position that posting doesn’t change minds is automatically invalidated, correct?
Sixth point: all of the extra wishy washy shit is you watching me try to find if my personal truth is that I believe point one, and if so why am I still in the conversation.
We’re talking about an analysis of truth and hypocrisy here, not solipsism.
How can you not follow this yet?
If you follow that you should understand that if I were to succeed in convincing you online posts don’t change minds I would immediately have proved myself wrong, and the basis of your conversion would be the conversation that ended my belief.
At this point, you’re just kind of bloviating. Like, none of the points on their own is particularly confusing - although if you don’t see the inherent contradictions I wonder if you’re even listening to yourself, you seem to explicitly acknowledge them - I just don’t know what the point of it all is. Like, you need to do some work to help me understand what you’re actually trying to say. I’m not your therapist. Either you have something you want me to respond to or you don’t.
That is literally not what I said. I could repeat it, but you would have to tell me you’re curious to understand me or I’m not going to bother at this point. I’ve already asked you that and you ignored it, but you seemed troubled so I let it slide. I’m done with that. If you won’t meet me halfway in this conversation then you can carry on wanking in the corner, but I’m not going to watch.
You didn’t say this?
You think throwing the word theory in there changes the meaning significantly?
You are too clever by half my friend.
THE CONTRADICTION IS THE POINT.
Nothing is designed to convince you of anything, none of this. If I convince you I am immediately wrong. Please get it. Please think. Please I’ve never had to make something so simplified for a self professed “debater”. This isn’t a debate! This is me telling you why debating is pointless and you insisting I’m losing a debate.
THE ONLY WAY FOR YOU TO CHANGE MY MIND (about posting changing minds) IS TO CHANGE YOURS. IF YOU CHANGE YOURS YOU PROVE YOUR NEW POSITION AND MY CURRENT POSITION WRONG. THUS THERE IS NO WIN STATE FOR MY STATEMENT, IT IS UNPROVABLE.
vs
Those are two different things.
Also:
Yet another thing that I literally never said. You couldn’t have made it clearer that you’re not listening and not interested in anything I have to say.
You haven’t convinced me that it’s impossible to change minds, but you have convinced me that you personally can’t be convinced of anything as you are right now, and that you personally are incapable of convincing other people of anything on purpose. I guess I agree that you’re a mess, that’s something you said and which I took on board. Does that count?
Don’t answer. Don’t care. Fuck off.