I think we’re all just chasing our tails sometimes
Those are rookie numbers. Install Linux and pump those numbers up.
You don’t know what you’re talking about
Developers: Those are rookie numbers
I’m going for the high score!
I’m an IT engineer, 100% of my time is spent on computer problems.
I’m a home server hobbyist. I like to think of them as computer solutions.
You don’t eat, sleep or go to the bathroom?
Someone call Harrison Ford, we have a replikant!
That number was more like 30% with a windows laptop and all the security crap Microsoft convinced my company to install. It was so painfully slow and glitchy. So I went rogue and put Linux on my company laptop 8 months ago and I’m not looking back.
Yep. Over here running Fedora KDE 40 on my desktop, dealing with zero issues. My use case is pretty simple, but everything I use just works, no issues.
If your use case is “pretty simple,” you’re unlikely to have problems with any operating system.
In my case I’m a manager so I don’t do any real work. Linux is great for an Edge browser, ms365 paper pushing wana be engineer.
Yeah, I know. What of it?
How much time do we waste on car problems? Neighbor problems? Political problems? Grocery problems?
Yeah, this seems like a pretty dumb conclusion. I expect that as far back as you look, people always took advantage of tools that save them time. But then they always also spent a fair amount of that time (that they could have been working), just maintaining/fixing/making their tools. I think the truth is that computers are very useful tools, but the maintenance and troubleshooting can be quite time consuming.
I will continue using computers though.
Using computers and also having to deal with their problems is still far more betterer than not using computers at all.
How much time do we waste on first-past-the-post problems?
Not much.
Also in the context of working, this isn’t just computers. It’s tools in general, and a computer is a type of tool. Problems with your saw? Problems with your batteries? Problems with access to electricity and your extension cords not being long enough? Problem with losing your 10mm sockets? If you’re a trucker or driver the problem could be your vehicle. Etc etc etc.
This article is stupid. Tools break, they always have and always will. The tools we have now are better than they have ever been. They will probably keep getting more and more efficient, but they will still break. Because tools break.
Right and how much time do we save by having computers? Fixing the problems is just the cost of doing business
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Do they include “fighting with anti patterns and dark patterns” as broken? It’s pretty insane how much misalignment there is between what most people want their computers to do and what the companies want people to do, which seems to largely be “look at ads literally everywhere”.
Personal computing is badly sick today.
Even for Linux users.
Why for Linux? Its always painted as Zion for matrix-dwellers?
It’s painted like that because it is. It’s the biggest bastion of freedom.
Well, because it’s still enormously complex and growing, and because, in user applications, comparing today’s XFCE to 2010’s XFCE is sad, and because comparing today’s Gnome to Gnome 2 in its prime is sad, and because comparing today’s KDE, eh, even to KDE4 - the same.
Because it’s becoming less and less logical, wave after wave people suffering NIH syndrome and\or thinking that mimicking MacOS or Windows is very smart erode it, and because the Web is ugly and becoming uglier.
And because CWM initial configuration takes 15 minutes to write and forget, and there’s no Wayland compositor which would take the same amount of time to set up for me, with the same easiness of use.
Anyway, what I wrote in that comment was a subjective feeling and I’m trying to rationalize it retroactively now, which is the same as lying.
Of course it’s what you said for Windows and MacOS users.
Am I too millennial to have all these problems with computers? They’ve been in our homes for about forty years now. There’s no excuse not to sit down and learn the basics of how it operates.
Whatever. I waste probably 20 hours a week on “work”.
Them’s rookie numbers.
Yeah bruh, I probably work like 22, 24 hours a week. I’m paid for 40, but let’s be real.
My job is to fix computers so I waste 100% of my time with computer problems.
Keep fighting the good fight.
“I’m here to fuck computers and chew bubblegum…”
At the same time?
If I have to.
Just stop having computer problems
We are wasting up to 20% of our time with bronze problems.
– Some grumpy dude circa 3300 BCThis. We used to waste time repairing the mechanical things when we could have been planting, or wasting time dealing with plant blights and livestock woes when we could have been hunting for wild game.
Some people still do. Fuck Jhon Deere.
Must be the crappy copper from Ea-nāṣir
Linux users brings the numbers up
I can’t tell if you are joking. But just in case, my installation worked flawlessly for years.
I mean, that’s fine, but as a Linux user I’ve fucked around a lot and spent a lot of time fixing mistakes that I did not need to make.
I think I’m a pretty average Linux user. Who needs something that “just works” when you can break it by trying to add something you don’t need?
Yaa arch BTW guys!!
Hey, all of those problems are entirely because of my own incompetence.
Once everything is set up properly it just works tbh. Meanwhile in windows updates broke something every other time.
Really? Because I updated and my wine prefix just broke. That was yesterday.
Skill issue. I don’t update the wine binaries I use for my most used prefix. I use https://github.com/Kron4ek/Wine-Builds/releases I may setup a new one eventually and just migrate the data tho. Maybe once a year, so once per major release of wine.
I see, I was holding it wrong
This is so not true unless you are using some super stable old Debian release and aren’t doing complex work.
Most DEs are super buggy, especially the darling child kde, which right off the bat makes things not super stable.
Additionally some of the most loved distros are rolling release and inherently unstable.
Hell, I use multiple distros daily, fedora and slackware, I also use windows for work, windows is by and large more stable in my experience.
Slackware has kernel panics monthly, kde crashes on fedora, Wayland has too many problems to count, meaning I have to switch to x sessions all the time.
Most GUI software I use has tons of visual glitches.
Yes it’s tolerable, that’s why I still use it, but I wouldn’t exactly say it ‘just works’
I would estimate I restart my fedora computer about 4-5 times more often than than the windows computer, and usually I have to restart fedora because of serious hard crashes (e.g. kde crashes so hard that I can’t even switch to a tty, meaning I need to hard reset)
I’ve not had anything like that since… forever. But then I’m not a kde nor fedora user. Naturally raises the question - have you considered switching from kde, fedora or both?
If Linux “just worked” I would have switched years ago. I’ve used several distributions, always preferred Gnome to KDE, and even with “expert” help setting things up, I always spent way more time trying to make things work than actually having things work. Unless it’s a basic-ass workstation being used for minimal computer things or to run a server for something, there’s always something that doesn’t want to work.
I like the idea of Linux more than I actually like using Linux. :/
Fair enough. What stuff do you run on your regular week?
I use KDE on my Linux machine, which means that I cannot develop anything involving the GPU.
The moment I experiment a little with the API or give it wrong parameters, not only my program crashes, but the whole system freezes and I have to manually press the “power off” button.
It does happen in windows too, however it’s 100x less unlikely.
I also had a problem not long ago that crashing my program would not free the RAM, so every time I ran the program (and it crashed), I had 2-3GiB less of RAM. So I had to restart the computer every 10 runs or so.
Operating systems are supposed to isolate programs and manage their resources. A program crashing under no circumstances should affect any other program. I don’t understand how it can happen.
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I’m literally dealing with an update issue with this distro lol
To he fair, it was perfect, literally perfect, until now. And even now, it’s not unbootable, since I can just use the previous image point. Just sucks I can’t update.
You affected by this by any chance?
Was a quick fix for me on Bazzite.
I installed the official silverblue, but it does seem like the same problem. Does this fix also work on the official silverblue?
Oh, sorry. I missed that part. I think this was just for uBlue images which doesn’t include Silverblue… I think.
O, well, shoot haha
Back to the search for me :)
All 0.4% of the user base or whatever it is? Unless you mean among the population of server admins.
I recognise the waste in waiting time, but I also think we are still increasing productivity more than enough to make up for it.
Personally I solve it by multitasking harder. Whenever there is a waiting time for a download or other stuff I simply start doing something else. I’m not going to waste my life watching loading bars for a living.
I don’t think increasing user-friendlyness is a good solution. It’s pretty much what caused the issues to begin with. Every time Windows or the apps make something more user-friendly it always results in more buttons to click and more updates to keep up.
I also spend an unreasonable amount of time just rearranging the windows in comparison to back when apps had keyboard-only GUIs with functions layered in different pages or tabs. I obviously don’t think that is a good solution today either, but it goes to show that the bloated operating system has a lot of the blame.
Say you want to do something simple like renaming a file, you’ll need to open an app to show the folders and files and also 100 different functions that are of no use for the specific task, position and scroll it where it’s visible, navigate by mouse or keyboard and then do whatever you wanted. My point is that just operating the operation system is something that requires 10s of seconds over and over again every day. There’s a long way from thought to execution for the simplest task.
The good thing is that it enables a lot of people to do so without any training at all, so maybe that makes up for it in total.
