• vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
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      21 days ago

      He bankrupted a casino, he knows what he’s doing.

      I suppose that’s why the people paying for his campaign chose him, to bankrupt a nation you need someone this talented.

      Why do they need said nation bankrupt I don’t know, maybe to make it fail while the failure will still be not too gigantic to recover from, and maybe for yet another pump-and-dump scheme, except this time with a country and not an industry. Depends on how optimistic you are about their motives.

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        Trump has wanted to destroy the United States since we captured Epstein in 2011 and shut down the best of his trafficking ring. It was never the same after that and that’s why he was suddenly so outspoken about Obama.

        Take away a narcissist’s toys and they’ll just vow revenge at all costs. He doesn’t care that he’s destroying millions of lives - we took away his favorite thing; underaged “playmates”.

        The rest of them are just assholes who think they can get rich and in some cases, have.

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          Russia is 1) not that powerful by far, 2) its elites, those very ones spoken about when expressing these conspiracy theories, are pissing hot water from a mere hint of being friends with any US administration.

          They have sort of an inferiority complex, there was recently a damned TV report, apparently, about an American diplomat visiting a cafe and ordering a cheburek (Central Asian street food). It’s so much bootlicking that one can confidently say Russia’s elites are much bigger US fans than Russians in average.

          They might be unintentionally making the effect you described upon the US, while trying to somehow become part of its processes, but it’s a small nudge compared to the more serious reasons.

          I think this is because the people who are now Russia’s elite came to power in the 90s, a lot of ex-Soviet people looked at the situation pretty simply - as in “we were the losing superpower in this cold war thing, now it’s ended and we are friends, so we are going to become like America in those movies with white middle class people all owning cars and houses”, and those of them who were doing politics, apparently, wanted to have their own political system as “cool” (or whatever, some immeasurable feeling) as the American one.

          The Iron Curtain was a huge mistake, people who put it in place were thinking in 30s categories when the 30s were long gone. People inside thought that they only put barriers before you to protect something you’d want to have. A generation of Soviet people grew with that feeling, where everything Soviet was boring and bad, and everything Western magical and good. It wasn’t even about freedom or morality. Just about “coolness”. People breaking the USSR in the 80s and 90s knew that the world around it isn’t virtuous and kind, but they thought it’s “cooler”. Everyone thinks they’d do well when put into an adventure, when safe. Nobody thinks they’ll be some guy who gets eaten by a crocodile on the second page, or a coward, or an idiot, or a sucker.

          So. When the Russian “wide mass” realized that for the West it consists of suckers and crocodile fodder, it became disillusioned and the wound healed, except for some rare idiots who kept believing into that picture, not being exposed to reality.

          When the Russian elites realized that, they just decided to lower the bar, and be content with playing US sometimes, and getting US citizenship for themselves and their children, and being there often, and playing with US politics. I don’t think it’s directed at somehow corrupting and undoing the US, simply not enough power. They are just regularly touching in the shop something they can’t afford to buy.

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        When the USSR collapsed, it made some well-connected millionaires into billionaires. When the USA collapses, it makes billionaires into trillionaires.

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    Sure, it’ll just kill the app in the US because fascists lack any creativity so it’ll become a stale echo chamber before people just leave

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      He also said Americans won’t have to worry about China spying on them anymore or something like that… right before saying this

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          He said Christians won’t have to worry about voting again.

          Still fucking ominous, but for slightly different reasons.

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            Thanks for the correction, it’s somehow worse because it low-key confirms he wants a christian theocracy, since there won’t be any non-christians left in his ideal America.

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      Totally with you on that 🙌 Independent platforms feel more real. How long have you been exploring the fediverse?

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      What does it take to get people to switch, though? The owner of X did a Nazi salute in front of a national audience. Twice. And most people are still on there.

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      To be fair, I don’t think Xitter is really dead? It certainly took a hit though 🤷

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        Twitter is 5% nutjobs, 95% bots. You really need a mental illness to be able to browse Twitter unironically.

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        yeah, because it’s bankrolled by one billionaire now, so it doesn’t matter how badly he runs it, as long as he decides to keep it up. it could never make a single dime ever again, and he could run it for as long as he wanted because he makes vastly more than twitter costs.

        back when it was public, if it had lost this many advertisers when it wasn’t profitable to start with, it might have been a very different situation for them. they had to convince investors to keep giving them money back then.

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    I never used it because of the Chinese government affiliation. I’d feel even less inclined to use it with maga affiliation.

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      It being outside of the United States and outside of United States control was an absolute benefit for me, What was your reason for hating it while it was under Chinese control?

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        There are multiple reasons for me. First and foremost is the data collection that they’ve been accused of; I know American companies do the same thing, but there’s something more nefarious about a state run data collection scheme than a public company collecting data to sell you ads, which I’m also trying to avoid as much as possible. Next, I don’t support their labor practices - using child, slave (Uyghurs) and cheaper labor is a big deterrent. I realize that some level of that is unavoidable with the way our society is based, but I don’t really need another social media outlet in my life anyway, so it’s a really easy cut for me.

        Oh yeah, also because a state run social media app is something that I feel is an easy way for that state to push propaganda.

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          Next, I don’t support their labor practices

          Lol. But American labour practices are just fine with you then?

          Also, fun fact, even after years of accusations, nobody has been able to find actual credible evidence of “Uyghur slaves”. Meanwhile, penal slavery is just an acceptable norm in the US

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            You’ve done nothing to instill any confidence in me about Chinese state sponsored social media apps and only supported my original point that I trust a US state sponsored social media app LESS than one from china at this point.

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        Trump creams in his pants thinking about having the control the Chinese government has.

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          Yeah, but it isn’t under American control, which is the most important part, or at least it was. Anyways, I’m not going to keep badgering you to try to convince you to get on it, but I would also admonish you for not at least giving it 30 minutes of your time when you were bored just to screw around with it before you wrote it off completely

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      You see them as desperate? Above anything, I see them as oppressive.

      The actions seem similar, but their intentions are very different. They’re not scared or anxious. They’re enabled, demanding, and oppressive.

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      I dont think your definition of “American” matches with the rest of the world if this is “un-american” for you.

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          It was un-american 50 years ago.

          The only thing changed right now is the idiot in charge, who just spills it all, because no one can stop him. Even though it’s a democracy… Right?..

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      It didn’t kill twitter. It might be shit, but still used by hundreds of millions, and is a popular public communications outlet

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        It is on the decline though, preserved more by switching costs than by user preferences. It’d be interesting to see if Trump can cause an even faster rate of decline than Elon has.