The Oregon case decided Friday is the most significant to come before the high court in decades on the issue and comes as a rising number of people in the U.S. are without a permanent place to live.
Think I will donate some money and my homemade scarfs to a shelter this weekend. Clearly our Christian government isnt going to help guess it is up to us atheists.
I mean the “justification” used by the Christians who vote for this kind of thing is that it would be under for the government to take money from people to help others, and it’s up to each individual with money to give freely to support the poor, or whatever.
That’s what they say out loud, anyway. So they can blame atheists for not giving freely. Never mind that they tend to give less, but
How long until we get “government ran camps” to help us “solve” the homeless?
When will gen pop say it is enough ?
Asking for friend… History ain’t looking good folks.
Sometime between now and September, obviously.
The Bell Riots were supposed to result in things getting better. I don’t know that I see that happening in November regardless of who wins. It will either be worse or status quo.
I’m guessing the post-atomic horror of the pilot episode of TNG is more likely. I mean I guess both ended up happening, but the Bell Riots still apparently made things better.
Oh lord, this is the worst news to come from this week.
If sleeping anywhere for someone without a permanent place to live is allowed to be made illegal, we should have rotating shifts to keep the Court majority awake in their homes so that they will have to flee to Harlan Crow’s yacht.
Oh lord, this is the worst news to come from this week.
It was a high bar, but they cleared it.
Needless to say there was fierce competition. The pity I feel for Americans is to a level I feel physically sick.
As an American a couple months out from not being able to pay housing costs, I appreciate the empathy. Sorry about the cultural exports that have been going north.
In true American fashion dating all the way back to its founding, you only matter if you own property.
you only matter if you own property.
While technically true… There is a difference between a guy owning a factory and a guy owning a home.
They are not the same lol
Yes. Homeless people are an underclass.
Many people are few pay checks away from being homeless
System works as intended
This is pedantic and totally irrelevant to the topic of homeless having no place to simply exist.
Unless of course you are trying to highlight the billions of unhoused factory owners?
Point being “home owner” is a temporaly housed person ;)
You got own right property to be part of the right class.
Learn to read
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You’re not adding anything useful, insightful or relevant to the conversation. Just being pedantic so you can feel smug.
You can look at it like that…
My value add here is clarifying detail was that was lost in that statement.
I am not hurting the reader or the OP thesis, just adding to the body of work.
unhoused factory owners
Are you counting the fact that Elon lives in a trailer down by the
riverlaunchpad?
Seems that way. Empowering local governments to determine legality will inevitably allow NIMBY to criminalize homelessness across the nation, with each city pointing fingers as the next.
Trying to decide if the war is on homelessness or on the homeless. 🤔
We have more empty homes than we do the homeless. If this country wanted a war on homelessness, it’d be over in a year. And that’s just the time it’d take to organize the moves. It isn’t even entirely correct to say this is a war on the homeless, either. It’s much broader than that and this conflict has been going on since time immemorial.
This is the class war and we’re losing.
Why decide when you can just make it illegal to be homeless?
If we make it illegal to be homeless, everyone will have a home! It’s brilliant!
Literally? Both
Well, no, they aren’t fighting homelessness at all, that would mean trying to reduce, not to mention eliminate it.
Capitalists want homelessness, so that they have a whole under class of people to lock up and exploit, and that also serve as a warning to the rest of the working class.
The war is definitely against the homeless, not homelessness.
And imma keep advocating for kicking those selfrighteous fuckwads off their collective benches so they can get a more upclose view of their shit
This is really interesting in contrast to where I live in Ontario, Canada. A municipality wanted an injunction to make it crystal clear they could evict a homeless encampment on municipal property. Instead, they got a judgement that doing so would violate those people’s Charter rights. This ruling means basically every municipality in the province now legally has to do something about the homelessness crisis.
My opinion has always been governmental spaces, especially those on or near the buildings lawmakers use, should always be an allowed campground for homeless people. They’re the ones most responsible for the problem, they should have to see it every time they go to work.
Same thing in BC… In the Prince George encapment case, it was ruled that unless there are enough shelter beds that are sufficiently accessible by the affected population, they are allowed to stay in the Lower Patricia encampment.
Can we get a class action lawsuit to sue for housing? Isn’t this almost entrapment like if the government doesn’t supply space for people to sleep but the population is still growing and the border isn’t completely sealed(not my solution I want) then shouldn’t the government be forced to build new homes or at least bunkhouses?
I’d think that for a blanket no-homelessness policy to be even reasonably humane, each person would need a right of address, even a 50 sqft. parcel of public land in/by the town of choosing which they can call their domicile.
If nothing else of there can’t be government funded housing then homesteading/camping outside of city limits and an advanced public transport system would be the only other option I can think of
They don’t have to pay their housing but they must make sure they have the ability to make it to a job so they can avoid being homeless
Could just show up to your town’s zoning board meetings and keep hammering them each and every time they turn down a residential permit application
“That includes California, which is home to one-third of the country’s homeless population.”
Why do these statements never follow immediately stating that California is also 10% of the ENTIRE country’s population and it’s where all of the livable weather is if you have no option but to sleep outside. Of course a lot of them are in California. We need a new deal.
Eh, it’s not just the weather. It’s cities in general. Look at Philly. Winter sucks there but still tons of homeless.
Denver has plenty of homeless too, but come on. It’s nowhere near California-levels.
It’'s not just the big cities with homeless problems, it’s basically everywhere that’s not RURAL, and even then you still see them
When other places send them here, it’s gonna be a problem
California, outside be mountains, doesn’t really get winters. It’s an attractive place and people will do train hopping to get there.
I see people living homeless outside in New England daily, even in the winter. That discrepancy has to be fed by more than just weather.
What discrepancy?
Are you implying that the presence of any homeless people in New England invalidates the idea that consistently favorable weather leads to a higher ratio of homeless people living in an area?
Probably also matters long term vs short term. When someone first becomes homeless, it usually happens where they were already living regardless of the weather. Over time, people may move to where it is more comfortable to sleep outside.
So, all cities have new homeless people plus some that just never leave. And then warm areas have new homeless people plus the long term homeless people who risked traveling to get to warmer temperatures.
I could have been more clear on that. If 1/3 of homeless live in CA and CA makes up 1/10 the population, then CA has disproportionately high homeless population as compared the other states.
I was get at the point that there isn’t one cause for CA having this disparity, another commenter pointed out housing prices for one example. And that other parts of the country, even ones with harsh seasons, are still livable albeit not as hospitable.
Isn’t the average home price in California more than double the average of New England?
True, but also the consequences of living homeless in New England would force you to either come up with some kind of way to afford shelter or move south. Whereas more homeless people die on the streets in California than you might expect, but the perception is that you can live outdoors safely all year. So there’s less incentive to scrape together enough money for a home.
Add to that, very few people move to New England with a crazy idealistic view of their opportunities to make it big. If they move there at all, it’s because they have a job lined up. Dreamers crash and burn in California every day.
Weathers only part of it, a large part is cost of living and especially housing costs. People have this idea that people become mentally unwell drug addicts then lose housing then move to California for the better weather/ more compassionate state. In reality a lot of it is the reverse, people live in California, lose they’re housing due to astronomical rents, then they become mentally unwell drug addicts due to the pain and trauma they suffer on the streets.
Last point still stands though, we do need a green new deal to give these people housing and employ them in meaningful jobs to help the green transition.
It smaller towns the homeless could protest this by just camping out in Central Park openly. If they arrest them all the jails will fill up pretty quickly and the costs would be higher than if you paid for all of their rent
For communities that do this, the goal is to…
A) Drive out the homeless so they go to other, more charitable communities, and become someone else’s problem, and then…
B) Point out the higher rate of homelessness (and higher taxes necessary to deal with it) in those other communities and say, “Look how awful those communities are!”
Or fuel the prison industrial complex sustaining a constant supply of slave labor and state funding for private prisons
This is the one.
You probably don’t choose to be homeless, but you do choose where to put your tent.
Sleeping is a biological necessity. So is shitting. WHY CAN’T I SHIT WHEREVER I WANT?! America sucks.
It’s not as if these folks can just go off into the woods and build a cabin. There’s no where to go that isn’t owned or protected. You gotta sleep somewhere, it’s not a choice, people need to sleep.
Next is extermination camps
I’m going to misuse a couple of lines from Star Trek: The Next Generation, but I still think they work. Just imagine Q is all homeless people, and not evil, and Worf is SCOTUS:
Q: What do I have to do to convince you that I’m human?
Worf: Die.
Forcing people into shelters or jail is super fucked up. If I decide I want to camp out in a tent and remove myself from the capitalist grind I should be able to do it unmolested. These fucking vampires think they own every grain of sand.
