Let’s cut all the philosophical crap and focus on what is most important here.
Would you still love me, now that I’m a worm?
Yeah.
Irrelevant Sisyphus is always happy because he’s always working out.
Sorry, I just have to ask-
What in the fuck are you talking about?
It’s meaningless and unfunny.
Sysiphus is cursed to forever till a boulder uphill.
The Hilbert Hotel is a philosophical math idea. It has an infinite number of rooms, all full. If you another person wants a room, everyone with a room moves over one. Room 1 moves into room 2, etc. Room 1 is now empty for the new person, and the hotel again has an infinite number of rooms, all full. Just one larger infinite than before.
The Ship of Theseus is a Greek story from Plutarch’s Lives about a ship whose parts get replaced as they wear out. The question is - is it the same ship if it has none of the same parts?
Humor is admittedly subjective, but I enjoyed the random mismatched and subversion of expectations enough for a chuckle. The trolly problem setup and pretty much every other detail being ultimately irrelevant is rather amusing in an absurdist humor (Hitchhikers Guild) or anti-joke (yo’ Mama’s so fat…
spoiler
That we’re all very concerned for her health
) kind of way.
Not op, no idea either. Best I can make of it is some sort of surrealist fifth level multi layered reference to several memes at once? The only one I know is the trolley problem one
If we are now considering philosophical intellectual exercises to be memes then this description is accurate.
The grand hilbert hotel is a metaphor about infinity. If a hotel has an infinite number of rooms, it will have enough room for him. If every room is full, they can all still move up by one room number. Infinity means you can always shift everyone up by 1 room number.
The ship of theseus is a philosophical question about whether it’s still the same ship after having every board and nail in it replaced over centuries of repairs gradually replacing all of its parts.
Asking if Sisyphus is happy is a reference to a famous Albert Camus (French absurdity philosopher) quote “One must imagine Sisyphus happy”
Very interesting stuff, thank you!
Albeit the post seems a bit esoteric for lemmyshitpost without the extra context
I love how you call them memes. These are things philosophers talked about long before the word meme had its modern day meaning, even before it was coined in the first place. But in a way, yes, they are all memes
I mean, I also acknowledged them as philosophical dilemmas in another comment, but I suppose it is my own fault for not clarifying that in the first.
Nah, you can always rely on the Hilbert Hotel for a good night’s rest. Your room is down the hall, just keep walking, you’ll find it.
This hallway will always feel like home to me
All you gotta do is ask everyone to scoot down a room (or two, not sure if Sis and the boulder are looking to share a room) and you’ll find there’s plenty of room.
I won’t have the heart to separate Sis and his lil boulder
If Sisyphus wants destruction, then I think diverting it is the best. Even though the ship has no original parts, it is still a ship, even if it is a model of the original ship.
Send him to the hotel and call ahead to ask the bellhop to ask the guests to all move to the room that’s numbered twice the one they’re currently staying in.
Nice hotel stays make most people at least happier, plus now half (minus one) of the rooms will have opened up for the evening!
“yes because he’s rolling it down a hill for once”
- someone on tumblr
Not pictured but relevant: the lever controls a mechanism which exposes a switch to a subatomic particle- the switch is triggered depending upon the state of the particle, and will release a poison into a sealed box containing a cat. Depending upon the status of the cat (alive or dead), Sisyphus’s boulder will be diverted.
I’m in for the infinite cruise ship of David Theseus.
Given an infinite number of rooms and guests, it is highly likely both he and the boulder are already there. So he should go to the hotel where he already is and has a room
Happy comes from hap, which is essentially luck. So happy can imply lucky or fortunate. If he gets to the hotel and finds he already is checked into his room in an otherwise full hotel, then he is indeed lucky and likely happy.
An infinite set doesn’t necessarily contain every number. And the Grand Hilbert Hotel is known for having a strict policy against Tartarus convict’s
Given an infinite number of rooms and guests, it is highly likely both he and the boulder are already there.
I don’t follow. He’s clearly not there already, being at the switch instead of at the hotel.
A hotel room being "full doesn’t necessarily mean the guest is in the room at that very moment, just that the room us reserved. And given infinite rooms it’s basically guaranteed one of those reservations is for sisyphus
Since the potential of not being accommodated is given, we must assume he doesn’t have a reservation.
But if there are infinite guests, could he not have a reservation?
Have to ask all current infinite reservations to move to <room number> x 2, now you’ve got 2x the open rooms as all current infinite reservations are even rooms only.
Happy doesn’t even mean anything. Sisyphus has purpose, and that is enough.
I fucking love trolley memes
Everyone in the hotel shifts two rooms down. Sis and boulder take rooms 1 and 2, now empty, respectively.
You have made infinite people unhappy by forcing them to change rooms. But Sisyphus is happy so who cares about the rest of them
but the room two rooms down is always occupied, for eternity. If you were to instruct everyone to pack their bags, exit in exactly 10 minutes and move two rooms up, you’re always going to have people being late and not vacating the room, so you’ll be dealing with people at reception complaining that they don’t have a room, or that there’s someone in their room. If you’re telling people (or indeed boulders) to move into occupied rooms anyway, then just tell sis & boulder to move into the first two rooms without moving anyone. If you’re not, then wait for someone to check out, as they’d have to wait for a nondeterminate length of time anyway.
What part of “one must imagine Sisyphus happy” isn’t clear? You’ve got to do it!
Bang a rang
Sisyphus would only be happy if he ends up on a game show where he can win a car if he picks which one of the three doors is correct. Sisyphus picks door number 1 and then the host reveals door number 3 as one of the doors that does not have the car. The host gives Sisyphus a chance to change his pick to door number 2. Does Sisyphus change his pick?
Sisyphus could try to change his pick, but he could never get there. He could only change half his pick, then half his remaining pick, then half the remaining remaining pick, and so on until nearly all his pick is changed. It could never be entirely changed though. It also comes with free choice of topping.
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