Aside from men being horny in the 1800s, and this being a holdover since that time, is there any actual reason why this hasn’t changed?

If society was dominated by women, would this be more likely to change?

I was sweating my ass off hiking in the hot sun, and the question has been bothering me all day after my top soaked through with sweat.

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    So, any woman with a double mastectomy is no longer a woman? Damn, cancer keeps getting harder and harder.

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      Part of, you also have your vagina? If not, you got your xx chromosomes? So no you’re still a woman, but you knew this. Wishing you a full recovery ❤️

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        Holy shit, that is a fucked up thing to say.

        Like imagine telling a woman with cancer, “luckily, your vagina is the only thing keeping you a woman”. As if their genitalia is what defines them as a woman.

        What a disgusting thing to say. What the fuck is wrong with you?

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          I never said that. I said you still have your vagina and two xx chromosomes. Wich technically makes you a woman.

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            Oh, my bad. I’m glad you told her she is only less of a woman because she has no breasts.

            People like you are sick in the head.

            Women aren’t less women because they lose their breasts. They’re not less women for not having a vagina, whatever the fuck that means. Like, if your labia or clitoris are removed, are you less of a woman? If your uterus is removed, are you less of a woman? What a disgusting thing to tell women, that their womanhood is their genitals.

            People like you make breast cancer so much harder than it already is.

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              I literally never said any of that.

              This is a weird conversation and I just realized I’ve been having it with multiple different people. I thought it was just one person. So let me recalibrate.

              And actually bounce, because this is getting less about what’s being said and the ideas behind the opinions and more just emotional garbage… for me at least, sorry. I’m really sorry you’re going through a lot. I really wish you a full recovery for ever ❤️ But for me to go down this road with you over an issue I never intended do discuss,and to be honest never said any of the things… No… Sorry but no.

              I also hope you get the help you need, and I’m guessing you’re American so I wish you all the best going forward. With or without tits and shirts.

              Bye ✌️🕊️

              Edit

              I just realized you’re not the cancer girl. However, everything still stands.

              God luck ✌️🕊️

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                Part of, you also have your vagina?

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                you also have your vagina?

                You say disgusting things and try to backtrack when called out on them. You are such a coward to say horrible things and then pretend you didn’t.

                No woman is defined by her breasts, vagina, or even chromosomes, and losing any part of her is not being less of a woman. Any woman with breast cancer is just as much of a woman before as after. Fuck you.

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                  Your statement is false. If that is how you interpreted what I said, then perhaps I wasn’t clear enough. However, yes. A woman is a woman due to xx chromosomes and a man is a man due to xy chromosomes. This are the facts. Now, what you identify as is a whole other thing. So don’t get confused now. But if you have your xx chromosomes but no breasts and no vagina, you’re a woman.

                  Remember to read without putting your own emotions to the text, perhaps it will help you understand what you’re reading a bit better.

                  However, a woman is not less of a woman if she doesn’t have breast or a vagina. Because she still has her xx chromosomes. So it is impossible in any scientific way to be “less of a woman”.

                  Now we can imagine what “being a woman” is by socialtal norms, since you seem to be under the impression that I’m speaking about gender roles. “Less of a woman” when I’m only stating the facts a out what a woman is according to science.

                  But I’m not doing that with you.

                  1. You don’t understand what i write

                  2. You’re incredibly emotional about things I haven’t wrote

                  3. You seem to want “a win” of some sorts making it impossible for me to have a productive conversation with you, since you ignore things I say to start arguments about things I haven’t said. And I’m under the impression that even if you did come across facts that don’t align with your narrative or beliefs, you would never be able to change your mind.

                  Again. Good luck, wishing you all the best. Take care.

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            Definitionally, if you say a part of being a woman is having breasts, and a woman doesn’t have breasts, you are saying they are either less of a woman or not a woman at all.

            Either that, or your initial argument is wrong, and having breasts has nothing to do with being a woman, so there is nothing wrong with going topless as a woman.

            I will say it feels like you definitely believe not having breasts makes you less of a woman because you said “technically makes you a woman” here, which is a weird thing to say if you were arguing that women shouldn’t be allowed to go topless for some sex-related reason.