I saw the whole RFK and CDC debacle, how the agency is being weaponized to be antivax, and I cannot for the life of me understand what is happening. What does RFK has to gain with stopping vacines? What does the government gains from it? It cannot be just for show political streght, is it? Just to say “ha, in your face!” and then cause huge troubles for themselves down the road? There must be something they will have right now. But what is it? Money? Contracts? Favours?

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    RFK is a true believer; he actually thinks, against all evidence and logic, that vaccines are bad for your health. Trump does not give a shit about vaccines, but he offered RFK the CDC position because A) RFK was running a third-party candidacy in 2024 that could have cost him several swing states and B) anti-vaxers are a large part of the Trump coalition, but he was losing their trust after promoting the covid vaccine. Most congressional Republicans are just going along with this out if cowardice.

    So, tl:dr: ending vaccines is what RFK (stupidly) believes in, Trump put him in power to return a favor/appease a portion of his base, and every other Republican is too chicken-shit to do anything about it.

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      King Putin is happily destroying the us and its institutions. Rfk was put there to destroy the US dominance, trust, and effectiveness on health. Most in the U.S. and the world, respect the FDA, the NIH, etc. to the extent that many defer to American regulations as the principal guide for other countries’ regulations.

      Institutions have power. When the president tries to do something stupid, people from the institution can resist. And since the general public trust institutions, that gives the institution power to create problems for the administration. By ruining the institution, you break that power and therefore break their ability to resist you. This is a very important part of fascist strategy. They’re doing it to the press. They’re doing it to research and development, to NASA. They’re doing it to all environmental agencies. Regulatory bodies, etc.

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    Two possibilities…

    • RFK does have a supplement/snake oil business(?) if I recall correctly, so he does have a personal stake in “MAHA”
    • This sounds nuts but there is a possibility that he really believes what he is doing is correct, and became a useful idiot in the process

    And don’t forget the people within CDC who are more involved… I will never forgive Jayantha “Jay” Bhattacharya and Matthew Memoli for dismantling the NIH. Btw the motive for Bhattacharya was very clear: he was an economist who proposed a fringe theory on COVID that was widely criticized, but then doubled down and essentially became entrenched in antivax himself. Which is also why I wonder if RFK also got high on his own supply

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      This sounds nuts but there is a possibility that he really believes what he is doing is correct, and became a useful idiot in the process

      You’d have a harder time convincing me a brain wormed, road-kill eating, fried potato has the capacity for such a lie.

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    RFK has a business selling snake oil. All those at the root of the antivaxx movement (and iirc that’s only 7 people) have something to sell.

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    They aren’t causing trouble for themselves as they will always have access to the vaccines that they need.

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    There is scientific evidence that vaccines are extremely dangerous, particularly to those with a mutation called MTHFR (which 50% of us have, in fact). Myself and my producer, Neigsendoig, are a small piece of the proof for that, as we’ve become autistic as a result of vaccines.

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      If you “became autistic” because of a vaccine, you were already autistic and you only became aware of and concerned about your autism after the correlation was presented to you.

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        I was very young (a toddler) when I was diagnosed. Neigsendoig was also a toddler (2 years old) when he was diagnosed… and we were both Lv. 3 at first. We’re Lv. 1 nowadays.

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      You seriously going to post something like this without proper sourcing and expect people to jump on with your argument?

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      Not just that, but a poor, struggling society is easier to rule over. People are too worried about staying alive to fight the system.

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    The Right hates the idea of an effective government that works for the people. They will tell you the the New Deal was a failure even though FDR was elected four times.

    RFK is a useful idiot. The richest are going to get great healthcare no matter what. But if they can break people’s idea that the government is there to help them, then the Right can break OSHA, laws that protect consumer rights, and anything else that keeps them from making more money.

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      The right wing voters already believe OSHA is just an obstruction tog getting the job done. OSHA is the reason your climbing harness has interlocking double carabiners. Else, your job would only pay for one carabiner. Maybe.

      OSHA rules aren’t here to treat your job like a daycare. The rules are here because employers will fuck over their employees as close to the letter of the law as they can. No laws, no holding back.

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    under capitalism, people just sick enough and certainly scared to be sicker, will not be healthy enough to do other things that may help them realize they don’t need to be exploited. it’s certainly not the only facet of how we are corralled into larger profits for the owners but it is one example.

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      For instance, the reason why minimum wage jobs do not have set work hours for most people is that having a constantly changing schedule that varies every single week makes it harder for people to do things that can break the cycle.

      Things like, going to college or go to a trade school or participating in external events that would allow them to meet other people that could give them a leg up in the world.

      Don’t blame your manager or even the regional manager of the story you work for. This policy is being passed down from on high. Your manager is simply forced to do it.

      Chances are they are just in the slightly more profitable portion of the cycle. Their increased paycheck comes in part from gently oppressing their co-workers in service of their masters.

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    Remember the death camps, weaponized viruss’ and population control they accused the left of doing?

    Turns out it was projection the entire time

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    It’s all about control.

    If you can convince your cannon fodder to disregard their own health outcomes, you can convince them to go along with pretty much anything.

    Then you just hand them their marching orders, and they comply, regardless of their personal consequences.

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    State sanctioned dilution of what it means for things to be true. It’s not about the vaccines, it’s about getting people to accept falsehoods.

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    It’s all just more of the MAGA crowds overwhelming need to “own the libs” at all costs. It’s kind of like the flat earth movement. It started off as a joke perpetuated by a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do, but once it grew to a certain point a bunch of people joined in who were too stupid to understand that it wasn’t supposed to be this serious. Now everyone in power is too embarrassed to try and undo any of the harm so they’re all just doubling down even though they know it’s all bullshit because they’d rather everyone think they were right even if it destroys society than to ever admit they might have made a mistake.

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      Its not just intelligence it’s also emotion / trust.

      Dumb people don’t distrust scientists without a culture telling them they’re the victims of an elite, and the strongman will save and protect them by attacking their enemies.