There is not yet AI that can do this. Also, is there real world harm happening? This is a problem of defamation and libel, not “CSAM”. Reducing problems to absurdity is lethal to liberty of citizens.
All those who wanted AI so much, you will have the whole cake now. Fuck AI empowerment. I knew this would happen, but the people glazing AI would not stop. Enjoy this brainrot, and soon a flood of Sora AI generated 720p deep fake porn/gore/murder videos.
It was not a threat, but a hypothetical example to gauge the reaction of that reactionary baiter.
The problem with claiming AI generated art as CSAM is that there is no possible way to create an objective definition of what “level” of realism is real and what is not. A drawing or imaginary creation is best left not defined as real in any capacity whatsoever. If it is drawn or digitally created, it is not real, period. Those people thinking of good uses of AI were too optimistic and failed to account for the extremely bad use cases that will spiral out of control as far as human society goes.
Even though China is incredibly advanced and proactive on trying to control this AI deepfake issue, I do not trust any entity in any capacity on such a problem impossible to solve on a country or international scale.
I just had a dejavu moment typing this comment, and I have no idea why.
Dude, it depicts a child in a sexual way. Find some other way to defend Loli’s then trying to say “The terms aren’t right, really its just libel” fuck outta here. Child, depicted in a sexual way -> CSAM. Doesn’t matter if it was drawn, produced, or photographed.
So if I draw a stick figure with 2 circles, call it 8 years old, is it CSAM? Will I be arrested for it? Do you see how that dumb logic does not work too well?
Hot take: yes. All art exists in a social context, and if the social context of your art is “this is a child and they are sexualized” then your art should be considered CSAM. Doesn’t matter if it’s in an anime style, a photorealistic style, or if it’s a movie where the children are fully clothed for the duration but are sexualized by the director as in Cuties - CSAM, CSAM, CSAM.
The problem with your argument is there cannot be developed a scale or spectrum to judge where the fake stops and real starts for drawings or AI generated media. And since they were not recorded with a camera in real world, they cannot be real, no matter what your emotional response to such a deplorable defamation act may be. It is libel of an extreme order.
Cuties was shot with a camera in real world. Do you see the difference between AI generated media and what Cuties was?
there cannot be developed a scale or spectrum to judge where the fake stops and real starts
Ah, but my definition didn’t at all rely on whether or not the images were “real” or “fake”, did it? An image is not merely an arrangement of pixels in a jpeg, you understand - an image has a social context that tells us what it is and why it was created. It doesn’t matter if there were real actors or not, if it’s an image of a child and it’s being sexualized, it should be considered CSAM.
And yes I understand that that will always be a subjective judgement with a grey area, but not every law needs to have a perfectly defined line where the legal becomes the illegal. A justice system should not be a computer program that simply runs the numbers and delivers an output.
Nothing about your comment addressed why it should be treated differently if it’s ai-generated but visually indistinguishable.
There is not yet AI that can do this. Also, is there real world harm happening? This is a problem of defamation and libel, not “CSAM”. Reducing problems to absurdity is lethal to liberty of citizens.
All those who wanted AI so much, you will have the whole cake now. Fuck AI empowerment. I knew this would happen, but the people glazing AI would not stop. Enjoy this brainrot, and soon a flood of Sora AI generated 720p deep fake porn/gore/murder videos.
Just passing through, no strong opinions on the matter nor is it something I wish to do deep dive research on.
Just wanted to point out that your original comment was indeed just a threat that did nothing to address OPs argument.
It was not a threat, but a hypothetical example to gauge the reaction of that reactionary baiter.
The problem with claiming AI generated art as CSAM is that there is no possible way to create an objective definition of what “level” of realism is real and what is not. A drawing or imaginary creation is best left not defined as real in any capacity whatsoever. If it is drawn or digitally created, it is not real, period. Those people thinking of good uses of AI were too optimistic and failed to account for the extremely bad use cases that will spiral out of control as far as human society goes.
Even though China is incredibly advanced and proactive on trying to control this AI deepfake issue, I do not trust any entity in any capacity on such a problem impossible to solve on a country or international scale.
I just had a dejavu moment typing this comment, and I have no idea why.
Dude, it depicts a child in a sexual way. Find some other way to defend Loli’s then trying to say “The terms aren’t right, really its just libel” fuck outta here. Child, depicted in a sexual way -> CSAM. Doesn’t matter if it was drawn, produced, or photographed.
It is very clear that they produce and/or consume said material and feel threatened by anyone calling it what it is
So if I draw a stick figure with 2 circles, call it 8 years old, is it CSAM? Will I be arrested for it? Do you see how that dumb logic does not work too well?
In what world does that justify creating PHOTOREALISTIC sexual imagery of a REAL child? You’re out of your mind, royally.
Hot take: yes. All art exists in a social context, and if the social context of your art is “this is a child and they are sexualized” then your art should be considered CSAM. Doesn’t matter if it’s in an anime style, a photorealistic style, or if it’s a movie where the children are fully clothed for the duration but are sexualized by the director as in Cuties - CSAM, CSAM, CSAM.
Glad that it will always remain a hot take.
The problem with your argument is there cannot be developed a scale or spectrum to judge where the fake stops and real starts for drawings or AI generated media. And since they were not recorded with a camera in real world, they cannot be real, no matter what your emotional response to such a deplorable defamation act may be. It is libel of an extreme order.
Cuties was shot with a camera in real world. Do you see the difference between AI generated media and what Cuties was?
Ah, but my definition didn’t at all rely on whether or not the images were “real” or “fake”, did it? An image is not merely an arrangement of pixels in a jpeg, you understand - an image has a social context that tells us what it is and why it was created. It doesn’t matter if there were real actors or not, if it’s an image of a child and it’s being sexualized, it should be considered CSAM.
And yes I understand that that will always be a subjective judgement with a grey area, but not every law needs to have a perfectly defined line where the legal becomes the illegal. A justice system should not be a computer program that simply runs the numbers and delivers an output.