The Joker.
I really don’t get the obsession with overusing the Joker when most of Barman’s other rogue gallery members are much more interesting. The worst of it is during “The Batman Who Laughs”, because now you have both the regular Joker and “what if Batman became Joker” running around. And then, as if it couldn’t get any more ridiculous,
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The Batman who Laughs gets Dr. Manhattan’s powers in a groan-worthy way which is like, not how Dr. Manhattan works at all just so they can fit more Joker into the story.
And I think most people will agree by now that Harley Quinn is a lot better of a character after she’s done being Joker’s sidekick.
The Doctor.
We get it. You wish a dashing eccentric gentleman with an English accent will appear out of the blue and whisk you away from your situation to a life of adventure. But it’s not going to happen, sweetheart.
Who hurt you?
Dr Who has had some genuinely good episodes and plot lines, nowadays though it does mostly seem to be re-hashing its own old plot lines but in a shorter and less well executed form or just trying to cram as many current issues into an episode as possible. Its basically suffering the same fate as the simpsons.
I think the sci-fi is not crap. But it is not appealing to everyone. DW remains a children’s show, always has been. It should be viewed as such, just like Star Wars is.
TBH, I still watch it, even though it peaked seasons 4 - 6, then went down and down and down. I think nostalgia has got a hold of me because the new season wouldn’t wouldn’t get hooked to it if I were my first time watching it.
I thought you were referring to The Doctor from Star Trek: Voyager and was about to pitch a fit but, yeah—fuck Whom’st Doctor Doth Darken Mine Teleboothe
Forsooth, yon apothecary of tyme y aether inhabit woman’s frame. Waxes tedious.
I never got the hype with Doctor Who in general, but I can see the appeal of the character.
Upvoted for a hot take!
I never watched the old stuff. I enjoyed the campy and quirky scifi romp that peaked with the 10/11 doctors, but there are certainly long stretches of pretty dull episodes, I admit. There are many episodes that I just love and tries to make note of through my last.
It doesn’t take itself too seriously and I like that. It’s also like gateway scifi for people not normally too into the genre.
Upvoted, just to stir stuff up.
The little Prince is overrated imo.
Boo and humbug.
How is the little prince overrated?
He’s not some huge pop icon.
Oh unless, see some huge pop icon where you’re from?
It was a global success (translated into over 500 languages and has sold over 140 million copies). That doesn’t seem like much compared modern movies or TV shows, but for a book those are really good numbers. Dr. Seuss sold over 600 million books but that’s spread over 60 different titles. Could be a generational thing. I remember seeing “The Little Prince” in a lot of homes in the 80s.
I’m curious what they think is overrated about the little Prince.
Me, too. It’s an interesting choice.
I couldn’t care less about Superman.
Superman is such a single note character that the good things that came out of his existence can all be counted on one hand. I get that he was foundational to the concept of superheros, but it shows in this day and age.
I will say the monologue in justice league while he’s slapping around Darkside is immaculate though.
The best thing to come from Superman is Lex Luther. No villain can go toe to toe with Supes, except maybe Doomsday, but does he really count as a villain? Mindless kill machine. Anyway, Lex has to beat Superman who can punch him into mist, or roast him by looking at him too hard, or literally blow him to the moon. How do you write a villain to counter that? By making them cunning and lovable to the public so that if Superman does any of those things, the public turns against him. Superman’s weakness isn’t only kryptonite, he craves social acceptance, if he didn’t he would just punch his way into being in charge and dare anyone to stop him. Lex gets how razor thin that edge is and takes full advantage.
“The only reason anyone is good is because they want to be seen and thought of as good.”
Pure narcissism.
Lex can beat Superman, but not homelander
There’s an entire song about this.
Eh, Batman is exactly as single-note as Superman is.
Superman requires very good writing from someone who understands what to do with the character.
I’m pretty excited to see what Gunn does with him, tbh.
That’s a fair comparison. Superman is powerful enough to always make the right choice, even when it’s hard. The appeal comes from Superman discovering and making the right choice.
Batman makes the necessary choice (apart from killing), which isn’t always the right choice. The appeal comes from stories where Batman walks the line between criminal vigilante and hero who saves the day.
Yeah but batman is literally just as crazy as the villains he fights. Gotham is just glad he has a weird justice obsession instead of a weird clown or scarecrow kink. That’s more interesting than superman just being perfect at everything. I’ve been reading through “Alan Moore in the DC universe” and like, each of the superman stories are just so one note. He is good at everything, until a random mcguffin comes up and then another charcter comes along to pick it off the ground, and then Supes beats up whoever brought the evil space flower to him in the first place.
I’ll be intrigued to see how Gunn handles him too, but in a life time of reading comics the only superman stories I found interesting was elseworld stuff red son and kingdom come where they treat him as a concept more than a charcter.
Main universe or any of the movies? Meh.
Well, it can’t be any worse than Synder’s “Objectiman.”
I disagree. Superman has as much depth as Batman. He’s just more morally pure, and people mistake “dark” for “complex”.
I’d argue Batman’s equally bad, it’s interesting that he’s not super by the definition everyone wide uses, but trauma an only carry you so far
Superman has had its good moments like the world made of cardboard scene. Nowadays I think saitama from one punch man makes for a better all powerful hero as the narrative really focuses more on the consiquences of that power on himself and the people around him rather than just having him save the day over and over.
Kelsier
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I liked him in Mistborn at least. After that, well. Jury’s out. :::
[Secret History]
He will make a great villain. (Or already is from one series perspective)
Depends if you like your morally gray characters I guess.
Heads up bud, your spoiler tags didn’t work!
Working now? They work in both Voyager and the default web UI, can’t do much better than that?
That user may be using Sync, which last time I checked only supports the reddit style spoilers.
Ah, I am! The other users spoiler tag was fine so I just assumed something was up, had no idea sync didn’t support the tag.
No harm done though, I’ve already read the whole series a couple of times.
While I enjoy him, I get this one. He is a hero who would be the villain in any other story, so if you see through him he can be pretty unpalatable.
John Constantine. The snarky smartass that has the most plot armor of any character.
Jim from the US version of The Office.
I can’t help but feel that Dwight would be a much better friend to have than Jim.
Dwight would be a much more loyal friend for sure, and far less likely to steal your girl. But these high intelligence low wisdom friends are exhausting. Especially when they make a mistake, because they’re so book smart they couldn’t possibly be wrong. Tons of unwanted advice on subjects they’ve only read about. But they’ll always be first to arrive when you need help moving. It’s almost impossible for you to be as good a friend in return, not that it’s required, but I feel bad when it’s not even. And then you’re just driving around one day chatting with them in the passenger seat and they pull out the ninja star they bought at the gas station and want you to think it’s as cool as they do. I just don’t know how to handle Dwight friends.
Not that I’m suggesting that I’m smart, but I really felt this comment to my core. I feel like people that know me may look at me like I’m a “Dwight Friend”, and I’ve long realized this (though never have I articulated it quite as well as you). It’s a real confidence killer when you realize this is how you’re viewed. But yes, if someone called needing help, I would be there in a heartbeat.
If it helps, in pretty much every friendship, one of you will be the Dwight. I have Dwight friends, and I am the Dwight to other friends. If you feel like you’re always the Dwight, you just haven’t found your Dwight yet. He’s out there and he’s patient.
You take that back! You’re just jealous that you’re not Big Tuna. /s
I think he’s liked more because he’s relatable, rather than he’s an interesting character. Personally, I think his pranks on Dwight are amusing, but everything else about him is nothing special.
so many. jesus, allah, jehova, it goes on and on.
All superheroes.
One-trick ponies, with one characteristic only (strong, loyal, fast, …)
So flat and boooring.
There are a few companions in Mass Effect that seem to inspire a way stronger reaction from other fans and I don’t totally get it. Like, I like Thane, and I’m sad about what happens to him, but some people are SO into him and I don’t get it. I also love Tali and restarted my first nearly complete playthrough when I realized I couldn’t save her and Legion, but there are fans who are full on obsessed. Then again, my love for Garrus can’t be contained, so I’m sure some people don’t get that.
At least we can all agree that Ashley and Kaiden are the worst, right?
John Wick
Many others too but I hardly watch any movies or tv series so no one else comes to mind
John wick is supposed to be a shallow character. A nobody who is surprisingly a goat assassin. The surprising simplicity of the first movie is exactly what it’s supposed to be. Man mad cuz wife dead and brat crimelord son kills dog gets revenge.
Just like another Keanu movie that there shouldn’t have been sequels to the story suffers if the perspective gets expanded. Prison break too, forcing follow ups means the story gets more complex whilst the simplicity is it’s main draw.
Keanu sommes un those roles a he is a bit aloof and emotionally detached. Somehow that suits both roles, but there isn’t much there to flesh out a longer story.
Edward Kenway from Assassin’s Creed 4. The whole game actually is extremely overrated. I had a hard time finishing that game. I rather play 3 or even Unity.
Sephiroth. His look is basically the most generic bishy anime character you can make, his entire backstory can be boiled down to “mommy issues” and his motivations are the standard villain “destroy world/become god”. He’s just so bland.
Yeah but he got a bitchin soundtrack
Agreed. And Kefka was way cooler anyway.
(I firmly believe most people gush over FF7 so much only because it was their first exposure to a mainstream console RPG in non-Japanese circles. FF7 as a whole was a fairly meh entry into the series anyway, if you ask me.)
Not only did Kefka have real style, twisted though it may be, he also for all intents and purposes actually managed to win. He fractured the world, scattered the heroes, built his goddamned tower, and was lording it all over everybody with a penthouse view. He didn’t have angst; he was just nuts. It was frankly a complete fluke that he got the shit whacked out of him by a little girl with a paintbrush, a 8x per round attacking Moogle with Genji gloves, a senior citizen, and a mime.
Long John Silver
Aside from Tim Curry’s rendition in Muppet Treasure Island. Pure gold.
Arrrr.
Snape
Yeah…I want to like him and he’s got more character development than any other, but yeah. So your high school crush didn’t “get” your personality disorder and then slipped away. That’s what happens in high school. But then he goes back to teach AND LIVE at his old high school and never moves on? Snape my man…marry Denise from your gym and get over it. Get a job somewhere else, join a pickleball league or somethin.
